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Avs/Capitals Grades – Top Line Rolling

Evan Rawal
Evan Rawal
November 17, 2017
Avs/Capitals Grades – Top Line Rolling

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deej19

deej19

November 17, 2017

freakin BS!!!!!! that Zads goal was taken away. that would have been so amazing for his already fractured confidence to come in here, beat some guys up and play the closest I’ve seen to how he played last year, and get a goal on top of it to stick it to the coaching staff for scratching him. just… infuriating to witness the ineptitude w the nhl and this challenge crap. its getting way outta hand. I think it needs to shift to penalties all around for challenges that dont go your way. that way you have to be completely sure what you’re challenging. good solid grading all round Evan ♥

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AvsFinn

AvsFinn

November 18, 2017

Totally agree that there should be a penalty if the challenge is not successful. The Preds wouldn’t have challenge this one. They bought a cheap lottery ticket and scored a jackpot.

November 17, 2017

Sakic A+ for getting Girard. Zadorov’s only negatives were the penalties, I thought he was outstanding, otherwise. Nice to see two possible anchors on the left side of the D emerge. Also good to see Langeskog’s hardwork getting rewarded, he absolutely earned the hat trick. Very fun game.

Av-a-dabba-doo

Av-a-dabba-doo

November 17, 2017

I was at the game. No offense meant, but I would give this report card a B- or C+. I think it’s too influenced by earlier ‘fashionable’ trends of opinion; need to have fresh eyes every new game. My takes: Mironov was better than C-, even Barberio was slightly better, Johnson B+, Nieto B-, Zadorov B to B+, Rantanen a tad high, but only a tad, so who cares? (strong game). Bigras and Compher were the Avs struggling most to find their niches. But next game could be different. We’ll see. #KeepTheTrajectoryGoing,Boys

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Beetlezhuks

Beetlezhuks

November 17, 2017

I also thought Mironov looked better than C-. 4 hits, 6 blocked shots, maybe few minor mistakes, but overall did what he was supposed to do.

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Av-a-dabba-doo

Av-a-dabba-doo

November 17, 2017

‘@ VK: Yeah, I agree, and what I don’t like is when a player does have a poor game or two and that ‘rep’ follows them unduly in their better efforts afterward. He’s young, shows some nice movement, and bodied up athletically to defend against a full-speed rush coming against him, effectively stalling the threat. Sure, he’s going to make mistakes and needs to learn/improve. But C-? Tough.

Mark T

Mark T

November 17, 2017

In all honesty, I though calling off the goal was the right decision.

Hear me out:
If you watch the play, Nieto skates into the blue ice and the goalie reaches out his glove to try to ward him off. The goalie then moves to his right, and the puck goes in to his left. It looked to me like the reason he moved to his right wasn’t just to find the puck but to avoid contact with Nieto. Had Nieto not been in the crease, the goalie might never have moved to the right and the goal might never have been scored. That being the case, I think it’s fair to disallow the goal because Nieto being in the crease appears to have influenced the goalie’s movements in a way that directly led to a goal.

In terms of the grades, I pretty much agree. It’s a shame that Compher’s offense seems to have dried up, but hey at least he’s getting in front of pucks – it’s better than nothing.

I strongly disagree on Yakupov though. Yeah he looked good in the neutral zone, but he was absolutely awful with the puck on his stick in the offensive zone – losing it pretty much every time he touched it. On the play he took the penalty that led to a Washington goal he has the puck on a 3-on-2 and ended up losing it without creating anything close to a scoring chance. Bednar needs to sit him down and tell him he needs to stop trying to beat defensemen and either shoot it or pass it to an open guy. He’s a pure shooter, not a puck handler.

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November 17, 2017

Easy to say if you put it into the context of the rules, but if you actually measure it against how these are called, it was a lousy, lousy reversal.

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Mark T

November 18, 2017

I care more about whether the call was right than whether previous calls have been wrong when determining if *this* particular case should have been reversed.

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Mark T

November 18, 2017

Agreed. Thinking about it Soderberg should have been at least an A. That’s about as good as I expect Soderberg to play given his role.

Mark T Replying to Mark T

November 17, 2017

You are right Mark T. Rule 69.3 states “If a goalkeeper, in the act of establishing his position within his goal crease, initiates contact with an attacking player who is in the goal crease, and this results in an impairment of the goalkeeper’s ability to defend his goal, and a goal is scored, the goal will be disallowed.” As such, it doesn’t matter that the goalie was the one that initiated the contact. Nieto was in the crease and did not allow the goalie to move to make the save. Accidental or not.

Mark T Replying to Mark T

November 18, 2017

I thought it was a really bad call, but you’re right that the fact Nieto was in the crease seems to be overlooked by the people who are upset that he didn’t initiate the contact. As WyoX points out, contact within the crease does not need to be initiated by the attacking player for a goal to be disallowed. So while I didn’t like the call, it wasn’t some outrageous slap in the face by somebody in Toronto who doesn’t know the rules, it was actually supported by the rulebook and from the goalie’s perspective was probably the right call. But that said, it’s just about the weakest overturned call on a goalie interference I’ve seen yet, and I’m glad the game didn’t hinge on it.

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Mark T

November 19, 2017

It sucks because it appears weak, but if you changed the rules so that something like that isn’t interference, some guys would probably go into the crease to intentionally prevent the goalie from shifting in that direction.

Mark T Replying to Mark T

November 19, 2017

Agreed, and I don’t have a problem with the rule at all. But I thought it was a weak/bad call because the way I saw it, the goalie was moving to his right voluntarily as he tracked the puck as they moved it over to Zadorov, not because Nieto forced him out of the spot he wanted to be. I think the goalie overplayed the pass a little bit and was trying to pick it up on the wrong side of the screen in front of him, and by the time he realized he had overplayed it and needed to shift back to his left, the shot was already on its way and Nieto was out of the crease anyway. I can see the argument that Nieto made him move farther to his right than he may have wanted, but I don’t buy it and was very surprised that Toronto did.

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Mark T

November 20, 2017

I think the issue is there’s no way to no how voluntary his move to the right was. Maybe he was tracking the puck, maybe he was avoiding Neito, maybe it was both. As long as that second option exists though I think you have to wave off the goal.

November 17, 2017

How does Rantanen get an A+ and Soderberg a B? Rantanen was pretty shaky for a period and thrived because his line was thriving. For the role they are assigned to, Soderberg had a better all around game.

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