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Avs Game 4 Grades: Perfect Homestand

Evan Rawal
Evan Rawal
October 13, 2019
Avs Game 4 Grades: Perfect Homestand

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JD16

JD16

October 13, 2019

I don’t get the Calvert grade at all. I started the game at the beginning of the second. But to me he looked good the rest of the game when he was out there. Had some good workhorse shifts. Nice to see Jost and Kadri get on the board (though I do still this Kadri is being wasted on the first PP)

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JDC15

JDC15

October 13, 2019

Gotta agree, shot differential aside I thought Calvert and Belmaire were solid if unspectacular. I think that top line needs to be graded lower since they were on the ice for both of the Yotes goals.

JDC15 Replying to JDC15

October 13, 2019

If part of your argument is “If we disregard actual on-ice results in favor of purely anecdotal information”, the argument probably isn’t very strong.

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JD16

JD16

October 13, 2019

Sometimes yo have to look beyond fancy stats. One team can have 50 shots on goal the other 1 and that team can with the game 1-0. You can have good shifts without shots on net. Especially the fourth line.

JD16 Replying to JD16

October 13, 2019

If your shifts are resulting in shots against and not shots for, you’re not doing your job. No amount of “they played hard!” negates results, especially if they arent producing any offense. Fancy stats arent everything but ignoring them entirely is favoring a bad argument

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JD16

JD16

October 13, 2019

The shot attempts were there they just didn’t get through tonight (6). He also was on a perfect PK… I guess we’re just going to have to agree to disagree. I really didn’t mean for this to be a thing. Anyway gotta get off my but and get ready for Thanksgiving.

JD16 Replying to JD16

October 13, 2019

Just for reference, Calvert on ice at even strength: 2 shot attempts for, 8 against. Bellemare 0 for, 7 against.

Enjoy Thanksgiving! By far the yummiest holiday nomnomnom

GenButtN8ked

GenButtN8ked

October 13, 2019

Calvert grade is absurd!!! We’re you watching a different game

Lamba

Lamba

October 13, 2019

So Matt Calvert does his No. 1 job great – penalty killing – in a 3-2 win and he gets a D? These grades are becoming absurd. Watch the actual game Evan, not a spread sheet

Lamba

Lamba

October 13, 2019

Speaking of absurd: Kadri a goal and 15-22 on face offs and that’s a B-. I’m done reading these

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Eidolon

Eidolon

October 13, 2019

Bye!

Cerveau

Cerveau

October 13, 2019

I have to agree that some times I wonder how these grades are curved, because I often see the top line get high minutes and achieve very little, but still get C’s, while I see the third and fourth lines get half the minutes, achieve very little, but get D’s.

I like your commentaries a lot Evan but it would be helpful if you could explain the criteria by which you curve.
Are you following AJ’s directive? Because he seems to do the same thing: give the third and fourth lines C’s and D’s for the same effort and results that the first and second lines get B’s and C’s for.

Do higher minutes automatically get a player higher grades?

Just askin’.
In fact, it would make for an interesting article: one that explains the criteria by which each of you guys curve your grades, because while you’re doing good hard work, you seem to us ignorati laymen out here about as consistent as the referees.

Speaking of which: I think it would be super interesting if the referees and coaches got graded too.

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Hockeyhead

Hockeyhead

October 13, 2019

In the teaching world, it is called a rubric, a tool that specifies the standards or criteria that teachers will use to grade their students. Applying it to a hockey players performance in a game, interesting, if you can get past the subjective opinion.

Cerveau Replying to Cerveau

October 13, 2019

I’ve explained how I grade in these very comments at least five times. If itll stop the curiosity about criteria, maybe it would be best to write a post that we can forever refer people to so they can see what our approach is. It’s not really great content but if itll please the readers, it might be worth it.

Cerveau

Cerveau

October 13, 2019

Case in point:
It seems to me that if Mackinnon had done the same effort and stats as Burky tonight he would have been given an A by you and AJ, just because he’s Nate. Why didn’t Burky get an A?

Likewise with Franky… it’s his first game, he gets a phenomenal .944% on a team that at the moment is pretty dangerous, and gets a B+ where Grube probably would have gotten an A.

Likewise, I get the impression the team as a whole was graded more poorly even though we got the win, just because we were playing Arizona instead of Boston, even though AZ are clearly really good at smothering the play.

So, back to you grading curves… somehow lines, teams played, and minutes played seem to factor into how you curve your grades.
What are the general criteria?

Wesley

Wesley

October 13, 2019

I get that you’re being conservative, but not a single (A) worthy performance?? Being generous with the grading (especially in an OT win) is a good thing…

xdikkx

xdikkx

October 13, 2019

While the Avs certainly looked sloppy at times, ARI’s forechecking constantly kept them on their heels. Credit to them for keeping the puck on the opposite side of the ice for long stretches.

rb9cms

rb9cms

October 13, 2019

Good lord, people! A win is a win and perspective is perspective. I enjoy reading these and compare to what I saw but in the end who cares what Evan and AJ grade? Avs 3- Yotes 2. I mean, really!

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gtq

gtq

October 13, 2019

It is called discussion. Nothing wrong with disagreeing with an assessment.

Eidolon

Eidolon

October 13, 2019

Evan, who pissed on your Cheerios for the Calvert grade. His line was used as a ‘Yotes momentum killer for chunks of the 2nd and 3rd and did well. I agree Nuke was a no-show and Belly needs to win some draws, but that line did some lunchpail work and helped keep Arizona from building a regulation win.

Dario

Dario

October 13, 2019

Calvert wasn’t good for large chunks. I mean, would I take umbrage if the grade was a F when I thought he should have been a B? Sure. But he gave him a D and I’d be hard pressed to give him higher than a C. So, what’s the big deal? It’s not a personal attack, it’s just a judgement of play on the ice. I would have given Calvert a C- because he did draw a penalty. But, he and his line were completely ineffective at even strength for the most part.

jbame

jbame

October 13, 2019

WTF. Not a single A grade? Francouz even? Okay.

Evan Rawal

Evan Rawal

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October 13, 2019

I don’t mind people disagreeing with the grades. It’s all subjective but the fact of the matter is the Avs spent the majority of their time in their end with Calvert on the ice. It was obviously a little different than the previous games. Of course Calvert is working hard, that’s the only way he knows how to play, but that doesn’t make it more effective. I’ve been really happy with him for the most part this year.

I do take issue with people telling me to “watch the game”. That’s all I do up in the press box.

Evan Rawal

Evan Rawal

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October 13, 2019

I appreciate everyone reading and commenting. There is no exact science to everything. I take what I see and also take the shot metrics into account because it’s impossible to see everything at once, and you should use both the eye test and the analytics.

As for no “A’s”, it was a pretty close game and I wouldn’t say anyone took it over or dominated on either side, really.

Jose

Jose

October 13, 2019

The grades are just for fun. I don’t think that we should be quite so serious about them. We can enjoy commenting and disagreeing.

ljp78

ljp78

October 13, 2019

I always enjoy the grades. It’s incredibly hard to watch every player and quantify their contribution to the game. I also appreciate how hard it is to remove anonymity and put your opinions out there. You absolutely open yourself up to criticism. Some of these commenters would do well to remember that. Take your username and make it your real one, put your real face on your profile, and put your opinions out there and see how easy it is. God forbid someone have a different opinion than you.

Pucklehead

Pucklehead

October 14, 2019

Wish I could figure how to watch on tv….are all you commenters other than DNVR staff at the game?

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