1) Sanders comments made me facepalm so hard. Ummm you treat people like adults by holding them accountable to do their job and be on task not jacking around on their phones and being late to mandatory meetings.
2) The best poptart is Chocolate Chip Cookie dough don’t @ me. On that note which is better pop tarts or toaster strudels?
3) For Pat
4) Did y’all see the video of Drew dancing to Its Goin Down while he was at Mizzou? As T.O. Once said…that’s my quarterback

If we let chris go in FA, do you guys see it worth trading up to #3 and drafting Jeff Okudah? You guys said it’s a deep draft for linemen and Wrs so we have the draft capital to move up and grab a solid CB to replace chris this year. We dont have a good track record for taking a CB in the third round, just wanted your guys thoughts on Okudah.

I know I’m definitely the odd ball on the poptart thing, but like I said, I prefer the great value ones. Maybe it’s because that’s what I grew up on, but they’re what I like. Every morning from like 5th grade to when I moved to college, I had one of the following breakfast meals, cereal, waffles with peanut butter and syrup, toast with peanut butter and syrup (eaten exactly like a waffle), and either strawberry poptarts dipped in chocolate milk, or chocolate fudge poptarts dipped in white milk. Make fun of me if you want, I can handle it ?.

Now, on to football. One issue I see with not giving Munchek really good lineman to work with is that I’m guessing at some point he’s going to get more HC opportunities and he will leave. When that happens, I’d rather him leave us a really talented o-line and not just a make-shift line that he made look good. Have a good one fellas!!

Yo fellas, the famous line as Wesley yells as he is tumbling down the hill to Buttercup (in Princess Bride) is “As you wish!” Surprised Mase didn’t know that one.
Keep up the great work and pumped for more great offseason pods.

Banana Nut Muffins are the best breakfast food known to man. Strawberry frosted Poptarts are the best. They should have played “Sweet Victory” at halftime in the superbowl. These are all facts people need to accept and move on with.

By the wat, it was all a blur with Peyton and such happening so i want to ask people who would actually know. What happened with Knowshon Moreno, again? I feel like i heard he did really good, was looking like a great RB, Monte Ball happened??? Then he disappeared, and i think it had to do with injuries, but what??
Anyways, there’s confusion in a paragraph. Loved the last two CLASSICS.
Have a great day!

Yes, Mike Hawk was a little twisted up last night! The name change came to me through a blurry cloud of vanilla porter and burnt pop tart smoke. But honestly, the whole pop tart and fruity pebble combo came about when I was a kid. My breakfast before school normally consisted of a bowl of cereal and a pop tart. I have never been the type to be awake and on time in the morning. So henceforth, I was always in a rush to get out the door and my only option was to eat as fast as I can. Let me tell ya, scooping up a pile of mushy fruity pebbles with a pop tart and taking a bite, was by far the most efficient method of ingestion. I’ll stop making too many excuses though, as I probably do have a few other unorthodox combinations of food that are yet to be explored on this podcast. The continuation and journey of Mike Hawk shall continue into the dark abyss! Well… it will as soon as I resubscribe later this week once I get my pay check being that today is the last day of my 1st year subscription. RK, I’m down with the coco puffs and s’mores pop tart combo, I’ll definitely try ASAP

Now to the obligated broncos question. What changed for McMahon this year compared to last year? Y’all loved him last year but he definitely took a big step back in 2019.

Very tempted to try that concoction from Mike Hawk…

What’s the deal with the Rams? Can they stop poaching defensive coaches from us?!

Anyway…you think anyone already on the staff will move into the OLB coach role? Or who do you think they should look at someone off the street..or whatever we’re calling it now.

D WARE?!

Good Day Gents!

I love the offseason, last night I was listening to the outstanding debate about the Best pop tart flavor (I have to side with RK on this one). While Obtaining the life Essentials for the misses (aka Diaper Run) I got so distracted and enthralled by the debate I some how ended up leaving with two boxes of Hot Pockets and S’mores Pop Tarts. Once home the Misses asked where are the Diapers. Try explaining this one to the wife on how a debate about ravioli, Pop Tarts, calzones and hot pockets swayed your attention enough to come home with my favorite childhood snakes and no diapers.

Did I say I love the the off-season! Thank you for getting through it!

With all the cap space Elway has to work with this offseason, I imagine the front office will consider the possibility that they may be able to give Simmons or Chris Harris the money they need to stick around by front-loading a contract.

With those thoughts in mind, my ideal Simmons contract looks something like this:

3 years, $38 mil, $28 mil guaranteed ($12.7 AAV)

2020: $10 mil + $8 mil bonus
2021: $10 mil
2022: $10 mil (non-guaranteed)

The bright spot for Simmons in this deal is that 2020 would be nearly 4x as lucrative for him as his entire rookie contract. That’s hard to pass up.

What do y’all think? Is this type of roster manipulation smart? Would it work?

I bet Mike Hawk loves Phil Asio.

Does Vic have anyone in mind for replacing Brandon Staley? Also, what is the status of Coach McMahon and our punter? We definitely need to find a new punter in the later rounds of the draft. Instead of a pop tart, how about a toasted blueberry bagel with cream cheese!! Thanks for keeping the off season fun and interesting!

RK, I believe you said you like to cook and you are doing Keto. Do you have any good recipes for cutting carbs?

I find a smoker handy for that purpose. Obviously, for meat. But, also makes vegetables like peppers and tomatoes more interesting. Maximizes the flavor of the minuscule sugar allotment.

How about a smoked pop tart? I will have to try that.

Why don’t they make every play challengeable? Give each coach two challenges for the game unrelated to time outs. Set a 90 second timer under the hood. This would not slow the game down dramatically.

Also, if you three had to give up all but one of the following what would it be,(meat/alcohol/cheese/sugar/bread) which one would you keep over the rest?

Love
The Count

Guys,

I haven’t gotten to listen to Friday’s podcast yet but I wanted to take a second to give props to Big John on the 33rd anniversary of The Drive. His 98 yard game tying drive in the ‘86 AFC championship. The broncos website has a great video posted of it that includes some great footage of Mr B on the sideline in his trademark fur coat, definitely check it out.

Have a great weekend,
Danimal

I’m wetting myself with laughter here; Zac’s stout discrediting of Aaron Rodgers’ abilities and Mase cutting him down with a “..because he’s a fricken’ hall of famer.”

Zac vs Rodgers quickly escalating out of control. I love it, makes me laugh every week. It’s sooooo outrageous that it is sidesplittingly funny.

Keep it comin’ Zac ?

*DON’T OPEN YOUR EYES*

Dishwasher Salmon is quite common. I’ve eaten it before. Cooks it perfectly, just make sure it’s sealed well.

Aaaas…….yooooou……wiiiiish!!!!!!!!!

How would you innovate the evaluation process? How would you prevent the Paxton Lynch type pick? There must have been friends, family, teachers, or ex-girlfriends that knew he had a bit of a lazy bone. There must be some kind of personality test. With all the money at stake what can be improved?

so, NFL Twitter got dumb and maybe a little racist after the Ravens’ loss. no real need for you guys to necessarily comment on that but I’m commending Mase for clapping back against dumb and maybe a little racist takes with valiance and thoughtfulness

In regard to Vic’s 2.5 hour practices in the pre-season: that’s a TON of accumulated volume for speed and power athletes, even if they’re not active the whole time. These guys are packed with fast-twitch muscle fibers and explosiveness; both of which are diminished by practicing for 2.5 hours a day in addition to their S&C work.

That being said, it’s not a surprise the guys who rely on quickness and speed as their signature skills (Von, Lindsay, CHJ, etc) seemed like they were always one step behind or one shoelace away from making big plays, particularly in the first quarter of the season.

Vic’s old-school approach is great, but I think he’s got to cut his practice time in half if he wants to keep his quick guys quick and his fast guys fast.

I’m calling it now, first 3 hour pod!!

Wow. What a surprise that was. Such a brave, and depending on hire, good decision. You been saying all season you don’t think Vic is enamoured with Scangs play calling and I think he’s got John to go with him. Don’t want to see people loose there jobs, but it’s the business of the NFL. And although stability is great, stability with the wrong guy is bad. This could be a great for the Broncos offence, now, for special teams……..

Now with Pat Shurmur I think this offense has a really high ceiling. With that said Ryan do you think we can stack up with the cheifs offense now if we get Ruggs and an o-line.

Hey guys, you have referenced needing to get a quality CB for next year, but is it possible that they move Kareem to corner again? I know they didn’t even play him there this year but I feel like he and Callaghan(if he even exists), and Bausby could be a good enough core and they could use the money to fill other needs. Keep up the good work guys!

You guys may beat me to the punch discussing the Pat Shurmur hiring, but how does this impact the concerns you had with the Broncos offense under Scangarello? Does Shurmer have easier play calls? Does he run a West coast style offense, similar to what Drew Lock already knows? Or will Lock be starting from scratch? I’m interested to hear your take on how this will change the Broncos offense from this season and how you think it will impact Lock’s development.

Let’s just hope that the Chiefs end up being a recreation of Marino’s Dolphins and never win a super bowl because a world where the chiefs win the super bowl is not a fun world. Not to mention two of my roommates are huge Chiefs fans so that only increases the misery I would feel. So I say this with every ounce of might that I have… LETS GO TITANS!!!!
Also who y’all got in the Natty tomorrow? I personally think that LSU is on another level this year after watching them torch my poor Sooners. 35-31 LSU
P.S. BRING CEEDEE TO DENVER!!!

Just wanted to toot my horn real quick for calling the Scangarello firing/Shurmur hiring on here, the other day. It made a ton of sense to me back then, and I’m glad it actually happened!

Pat Shurmur? Let’s go. He’s definitely gonna get drew lock to his full potential with his big 3 of mentors (Elway, Peyton, Shannahan). Now for some offszn comments
– A pop tart is definitely a sweet ravioli, that’s a third eye thought right there
– The top three of pop tarts are s’mores at 1, Ice Cream Sundae at 2 and Cinnamon Brown Sugar at 3
-chipotle is pronounced (chip-olt-lay)
Question: Who is your closest drew lock comparison? Go broncos

Mase, if a sandwich is defined by its two-distinct-slices-of-breadness, what the hell am I eating at Subway?!?! ?

Hey fellas,

How could I not weigh in after the shocking turn or events regarding the change of Offensive Coordinator!

1. I long suspected that Vic Fangio wasn’t sold on Scangarello or the offensive scheme. What transpired on sunday seems to confirm my suspicions. I think it’s great news that Elway appears to be empowering his head coach. While I don’t believe this factored into the decision to fire Scangs, it’s worth noting that if the Broncos had a great offensive turnaround in 2020, that Scangarello would likely be a top candidate for a head coaching job. With Shurmur and his poor track record as a head coach, even if the offense grows by leaps and bounds, we don’t have to worry about other teams trying to poach him off of the staff. This may prove to be a better choice long term for the Broncos. Shurmur has a solid history of playing to his QBs strengths and making mediocre QBs look good. I get excited about the possibilities of pairing him with a QB as talented as Drew Lock.

2. I have pondered this for a while now, and now is as good of a time to ask as ever (especially if RK is on the pod since he is so close to both of these teams), but off the top of your head, do you know who Vic Fangio replaced as Bears DC in Chicago?????

Thats right, CU coach Mel Tucker! So my hypothetical question to you gents is this, lets say that CU hired Vic Fangio as HC and the Broncos hired Mel Tucker as HC. What would the state of both programs be as we sit here today.

Thank you guys for all the work you do. It’s so appreciated!

Do you guys think the Shurmur hiring changes the perspective in the draft?

Wow, guys,

Fangio broke up the Denver Mafia by firing Sangs, I guess he will sleep with the fishes of unemployment. From what I am seeing across the Twitter world this should be a good move to support Lock.

First question: What effect do you think this will have on Locks development?
Second Question: What will it take to stop firing OC coaches every year is this a bad look around the NFL and will this new OC be that good for Lock?
Last and 3rd question: I was thinking about how a big deal it made of 1,000 rushing yards in a season. However, Terrel rushed for 2,000 yards in a season which just blows my mind that is double every running back in the league. What will it take to soon another 2,000-yard rusher? or have high rushing days ended?

Loving these offseason pods.

FYI strawberry Poptarts none toasted are king and a good off-brand cereal is Frosted mini wheats from King Soopers.

Welp…honestly didn’t expect to see Scangarello go, can’t say I’m shocked though boys. The first question I have after hearing this though is will Schurmur be a solid leader to help develop Lock? I have all the faith possible that Lock could be The Guy, not just the guy for 2020, but that’s going to take a few things going right. First of those things is Lock being surrounded by the right people to push him to grow where he needs to. Is Schurmur superior in this regard to Scangarello? Thanks guys, love ya’ll!

So obviously mondays podcast will be long with the breaking news. So with Pat Shurmur being the new OC who do we target in the draft. Unfortunately as much as I agree with Mase and Zach on getting a top lineman ( love both LT or the center from Wisconsin) I think we will target a WR now. What do you think if we get Shenault a one week PFM QB camp with Lock, Sutton, Fant, Lindsay, and Shenault . Ryan can finally get his RRPPO offense. They don’t all have to be fantastic but the fact of at any point it could happen would hesitate the defense. I would wait how the draft falls but maybe we could trade back to 18-20 get Shenault then trade back in the end of the first to get Biadasz? And final question what do you think of the LT from TCU ? Potential but had injury. If so what round do you see for him if healthy?

Hi,
What are your go to meals for the week nights? How much do you usually spend at the grocery store and often do you go to it?
My claim to fame was when I won an ice cream eating contest. I ate 2 pints or 14 scoops in 5 minutes to win free ice cream for a year. I also ate 4 slices from, “Pizza my Heart,” (big giant slices) in 10 minutes, but did not win anything except free pizza.

Hey guys!

I just have to say that these are the pods that made me subscribe and support you all! I love being able to feel part of a conversation. You do a great job!

Onto broncos, I’m sure you guys haven’t talked about the firing of Scangs, but I laugh at coaches comments after they fire someone. “Rich is a bright coach with a great future ahead of him.” If his future is going to be great, wouldn’t you want him to be around? It just makes me laugh!

Last question (kind of), will all three of you be attending the London game? If not and only two get to go, my vote is Zac and a coin flip between Ryan and Mase. Before Mase came on, Ryan went to every away game and since Mase came on, he’s the only one to go to an away game! #Zac2London

Also, my all time favorite breakfast is biscuits & gravy or homemade cinnamon rolls! Are cinnamon rolls breakfast or a dessert?

Love you all and I hope we have a 3 hour pod!

TLDR;
Do you guys really think that Elway consults any of his coaches about roster construction decisions?

Context;
The Vegas Golden Knights roster decisions were made in the expansion draft, Head Coach Gerard Gallant was asked about what the roster would look like. He responded that General Manager George McPhee did not involve the coaching staff in any decisions. With the line of thinking that the GMs build the best team he can, and coaches focus on getting the best out that team. No blurred lines of responsibility. It worked for VGK and is a stark contrast from the story of HC Patrick Roy and GM Joe Sakic.

To RK the Broncos are one of the NFL teams he is dating, but hasn’t given a rose to yet.

To Zax the Broncos are a hot pocket, edible but not delicious.

To Mase the Broncos are a Hallmark Christmas movie with bad font.

What is it about learning how the sausage is made that keeps you emotionally disinterested in this team?

Are all NFL teams made of sausage? Or are some teams made of wagyu beef?

I might be a little basis as I live in utah and watched him play a couple times, but I think the broncos should take Leki Fotu in the third round as a good DT. He has a great first step, great size, and solid power to shoot gaps and disrupt plays behind the line of scrimmage, which I feel the Broncos have lacked in the last couple years. What do you guys think? He fills a hole and I think should be around in the third.

While I was frustrated by the lack of production from the Scangs offensive scheme, I wonder if yet another OC change with another offensive scheme a good move? It can’t be beneficial to have scrap last years playbooks and start from scratch as a player. Am I wrong for thinking we need some stability and roll with a scheme our players can learn well? I’ve always thought a large part of Tom Brady’s success is the stability and consistency he has had in the organization. When the coaching philosophy, style and approach change constantly it keeps players from mastering the scheme. I’m glad that Shurmur isn’t a first time OC, looking forward to seeing if this ramps up our offense.

Just looking at some personnel trends when Shurmur was the OC/HC in his previous stops. No doubt a lot of these were also affected by the GMs, but still worth looking into;

A lot of the drafts tended to be defensive heavy. He tended to go very heavy on offense in free agency. Not afraid to splash big money on the O-line if necessary. Signed Riley Reiff, Mike Remmers and Nate Solder to significant contracts.

Pretty good at drafting linemen. Notable names were Rodger Saffolrd, John Greco, Mitchell Schwartz, Lane Johnson, Will Hernandez and Pat Elflein- who was good as a rookie under Shurmur. Has declined since he left.

Very good at scouting and developing tight ends. Chad Lewis was an All-Pro in Philly with Shurmur as his position coach. Jordan Cameron had a Pro Bowl year the year after Shurmur left Cleveland, but no doubt Shurmur laid the foundations for that. Zach Ertz is Zach Ertz. Kyle Rudolph had the best years of his career when Shurmur was his position coach in 2016 and then again when Shurmur was his OC in 2017. Evan Engram looked poised to break out this year, but injuries have held him back. Definitely expect Fant to trend up in a big way next season.

Also, Shurmur’s mom is Italian so y’all don’t have to throw out the Mile Migh Mafia t-shirts 😉

I live in the concrete apple and all my Giants friends—if you can call them that—are pointing and laughing at me in reaction to this Shurmur hire. I’m in wait and see mode but that’s not a good comeback. How do I put these metropolitan meat heads in their place? Why is this a hire Broncos Country should be hopeful about—besides the overhyped, underwhelming “he has experience thing”?! One would think, after firing Scangs, we would go for the air raid Patty Mahomes offense, but no—Elway strikes again!

PS — You do not want to know what this homeless man did on the subway this morning. Monday mornings aren’t meant to be that happy.

Forever and always,

Onion Booty

Wow didn’t see this coming! Looks like Vic isn’t a big Toy Story fan. He’d rather have his QB reading defenses instead of a wristband pre-snap. This move is the right one for so many reasons but most importantly, Elway is empowering his head coach to get HIS guys. Fangio has been around a long time and knows what he likes and what he doesn’t. This is a big step for Elway and is a positive one.
Scangarello was no where near ready for an OC role. Elway liked who Scangs had learned from and rolled the dice but it didn’t work. I’m so glad the team is not forcing players to fit this Shanahan system anymore and is hopefully going to play to the roster’s strengths. That offense is so damn hard to run when you fall behind and there is no more run threat. It has been a great piece of Broncos history but I’m glad to see it go.

This move signifies building the offense around Drew! Love it

Good morning gents!

You guys spoke WAY too soon about this “not having to worry about coaching changes” thing ? Vic sure pulled a fast one on us with this Pat Shurmer news.

I for one am very excited about this move and I’ve heard Drew Lock was a big part in his decision to come here. What do you think the new floor/ceiling is for the offense with Pat at the helm??

This news is gonna make the pod super interesting this week!!

Much love,

Brent

Fellas you go to subway and you get a sub, that’s considered a sandwich right? Even though the bread is connected? Why is a hotdog with a bun not considered a sandwich? Is ketchup a tomato smoothie? Are the canned cranberries considered jello? I feel like Zack Galifianakis has m the hangover at the poker table right now

I know you guys have already went off about this, but I just want to say that I hate the move. Let’s scangs have another shot, it was his first time calling plays!

Hey Guys,

I am fully prepared to eat my words. Formally known as In Elway we Rust I decided to put that T back in the name (For now). I was on the Fire Elway Bandwagon, but now looking a this young core, $80m cap space, and the draft picks we have upcoming I can’t help but be excited for the future. Scangs was a surprise, but if the rumors are true and we bring in Shurmur then I would be excited. I mean look at what Reid did yesterday AND we get a coach from that tree? Count me in.

Money comes, money goes, but championships are forever. In ten years, when Lock is leading the Broncos to their 3rd title under his reign, we won’t care that the team spent an extra couple million one year on QB. But we will be looking back on the benefit that learning from both Peyton and Brady had on developing the new face of the franchise. TB12 for QB2!

What does Shurmur mean for Jano? Does he use FBs in his offense?

Looking at all the comments, I just hope you can rap up the pod before the Natty tonight ;-).

Assuming the Broncos close the deal on Shurmur, what changes in the offensive coaching staff do you think he might make? Does he have certain “right-hand men” guys he might bring with him and do you think T.C. sticks with the Broncos as QB coach? Thanks for the coverage guys.

What’s up DNVR, Ok so quick debate question for you, my brother and I got into a debate last night on whether or not the broncos should pay Derrick Henry. He said it would be a luxury but if we were just gonna carry over the money to next season and had already filled the immediate needs on the team (pay Simmons, pay CB1, Wolfe etc.) then why wouldn’t we do it? Now I know RBs can be a dime a dozen and you can get a guy in the late rounds for good value, but let’s say we had the money after filling most needs and he was available. Any of you guys interested or no way are you spending that money on a RB. I know we won’t do it, but what is your guys opinion. While I would not do it, after watching him in these playoffs I will say, him and Lindsay would be the perfect combo. Thanks guy.!

‘@RK I’m most interested for your take on Shurmur. I’m with you on modernizing the offense. What type of scheme does Shurmur run? How does this change what we will look like next year and our off season moves?

I’m very impressed with Fangio. It feels like Elway has been a dictator for a while, but I heard this came from Vic. Hopefully those two at the helm will compliment each other. Firing and replacing an OC in the same day to secure the top guy on the market is a power move. Gives me Belichick and Kraft vibes.