No results found for ""

Type at least 3 characters to search

Upgrade Your Fandom

Join the ultimate Colorado Avalanche Community!

The Good, the Bad and the Ugly from the Avalanche’s past week

J.D. Killian
J.D. Killian
November 28, 2017
The Good, the Bad and the Ugly from the Avalanche’s past week

Author

J.D. Killian avatar
J.D. Killian

Share this post

Comments

Leave a comment

0 Comments (3 conversations)

Nels

Nels

November 29, 2017

I’ve been noticing massive prejudice from the league, against the Avs, for years now. I guess the Avs market share is large enough? Anyone remember that one late last year where Nieto was left without a stick because the Blues player was holding it for him out in the middle of the zone? No call. Or perhaps when Duchene got punched/high sticked in the head behind the play last year (November, Avs were 9-9), his first concussion, and the Avs season went down the toilet? No call. No suspension. WTF????? Hockey seems to be as fixed as wrestling :/ Still quite entertaining :/

Nels

Nels

November 29, 2017

On the subject of poor goaltending. I don’t think Varly or Bernie have been bad, just not good enough with those numbers to help this young team. Maybe we should try the hamburgler (Hammond)? What has this guy done wrong exactly? His numbers in the NHL are insane. I wish we’d played him instead of Bernie against the cheesy flames.

Dan G

Dan G

November 29, 2017

Conspiracy theories about the league are just silly. I look at how badly the NHL is run and I cannot imagine them being able to pull off a conspiracy. The Avs have gotten the short end of the officiating stick this year, but I’d venture to say that every team does, because the officiating in the NHL is just not that good. It is an accepted part of the culture of the league that officials will “manage the game” through their calls and that the rules fluctuate based on a variety of in game conditions.

Landy deserved 4 games. He pounded on Tkachuk 3 times and the last one was in the head when Tkachuk was out of the play. How about Landy use his body to play defense rather than his stick? I hate that he was suspended 4 games, but I’m much more bothered by Gabe getting himself into this situation with past suspensions rather than ticked that the league for saying “enough is enough.”

Dan G Replying to Dan G
Nels

Nels

November 29, 2017

So how do you explain the lack of a call, or much more importantly a suspension, for the – behind the play – punch Duchene took to the head last year? He was concussed for the first time in his career and missed like 9 games. NO SUSPENSION. That’s not a “refs managing games” situation. Landeskogs hit was NOT behind the play and did NOT result in injury. I envy you living in a world where those in positions of power have no interest in taking advantage of you. Must be nice. Here I am stuck being “paranoid” due to a clear understanding of what the words “for profit” mean.

Nels Replying to Nels

November 29, 2017

OCMS: NHL officiating isn’t that good.
Charlie: Then how do you explain this one missed call?
Jimbotronn: …..?

Bad/inconsistent officiating aside, I fail to see how punishing a Colorado player who hit a Calgary player, while not punishing a Winnipeg player who hit a Colorado player, nets the NHL any “profit.” That’s not a move the NHL makes if they’re biased towards the larger markets, as the Winnipeg and Calgary metro markets added together are still smaller than the Denver market. You might argue that the league obviously favors Canadian teams, but since 2010 the Maple Leafs have had the second-most fines and salary lost to suspensions in the league (just a tad behind Philly, and well over twice what Colorado had). You might then throw out Toronto as an outlier and argue that the league still favors its “marketable” teams, but A) neither Calgary nor Winnipeg fall into that category, and B) in addition to Toronto and Philly, the Caps, Bruins, Ducks, Sharks, and believe it or not even the Pens and Blackhawks have all been fined/suspended more than the Avs have over that timeframe. And Arizona and Florida, who you might assume the league views as a punching bag for the popular teams, are two of the lowest-fined teams.

source: http://www.spotrac.com/nhl/fines-suspensions/all-years/

Replying to
Nels

Nels

November 29, 2017

No man. I’m saying that all big sports are somewhat rigged depending on how the league wishes to GROW markets in general. So I think it’s more likely that they favor teams with smaller markets as those teams markets might need to be grown with victories. Also I’m not talking about a blown call. I’m talking about when Duchene was punched in the head behind the play last year and there was no suspension although he was concussed and missed multiple games. As opposed to the current Landy suspension, where it wasn’t behind the play and no injury resulted but there IS a suspension.

Nels Replying to Nels

November 29, 2017

You might want to go look at the Duchene video again. I assume you’re talking about the Trouba hit as that’s the only one I know of that led to a concussion. It wasn’t behind the play, in fact Duchene had shot the puck a fraction of a sec before the hit, whereas Tkachuk had been removed from that play for a couple seconds before Landy finally pummeled him. I didn’t like that Duchene hit at all, but it seemed to be more of a split-second reaction thing than a conscious decision. Suspensions seem to be handed out more often to deliberately reckless acts rather than split-second reactions (although I think more suspensions for the latter would help make the game safer as it would eventually change habits).

I’ve honestly never heard a league bias theory that has them favoring the small market teams over the big ones, so props for originality. Still not buying it, and the stats don’t support it. There is no rhyme or reason to those fine/suspension statistics other than that some teams play a type of hockey (and employ a type of player) more likely to draw penalties, fines, and suspensions.

Replying to
Dan G

Dan G

November 29, 2017

Jimbo, I appreciate the attempt. The beauty of conspiracy theories is that they hold up under any amount of scrutiny, because it is the scrutiny that reinforces the conspiracy. It’s a wonderful use the action research cycle. Even some fans of the Pens think the league is out to get them. (because they are)

Last year there was a good interview on either MvsW or Puck Soup with 1 -2 guys from the DOPS. It was a good listen and while I’d like to see bigger suspensions for more stuff, because I think it changes behavior, they did a good job of outlining how they do their work.

Dan G Replying to Dan G
Nels

Nels

November 29, 2017

So OCMS, are you positing that no one in a position of power would ever want to take advantage of you? If I’m at a board meeting with the other members, are we not “conspiring” to profit off of others? Conspiracy to take others money/time/energy isn’t a theory, it’s the very premise upon which a for profit economy works. Whether we like it or not it’s what’s up yo.

Nels Replying to Nels
Dan G

Dan G

November 30, 2017

Right. Because that’s exactly what you were talking about when you said the NHL is rigged against the Avs.

Dan G Replying to Dan G
Nels

Nels

November 30, 2017

Precisely. The NHL is a for profit enterprise so assigning them any sort of altruistic motive such as an interest in player safety or a desire to keep games fair is really quite fantasmical, if that’s a word. There’s nothing to prevent them from doing any kind of sneaky, cheaty, underhanded stuff to grow customer base.

Replying to
Nels

Nels

November 29, 2017

That’s not how I remember it and I went back and watched it a few times. That was a Jets game right? The puck was already out of the zone when he got punched in the head for no reason. Do you have a video link or something? Because I would love to be wrong on this. Still don’t understand how it’s not a suspension one way or another.

Nels Replying to Nels

November 30, 2017

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/matt-duchene-still-sidelined-vicious-jacob-trouba-hit/

The NHL, or any other business, is certainly not above doing things, sneaky things as well, to grow its fan base. And of course, individual teams are going to try to grow their fan bases even if it means taking fans away from other sports or even other NHL teams. But the idea that the NHL has a policy–official or not–to screw its profitable and popular members over to create wins and therefore fans for the teams that need some help is perhaps the wackiest conspiracy theory of them all, which is saying quite a lot.

Even if true, the Avs have been somewhere between mediocre and terrible over the last decade, their attendance is bottom 5, and they aren’t a great TV draw. So your unique reverse-bias-for-profit theory is especially odd when used to gripe about calls and suspensions that don’t go the Avs’ way, considering that under your theory they would be one of the teams that the league should be most interested in helping out.

Replying to
Nels

Nels

November 30, 2017

Do you sir, have a better theory to explain the incongruency of decisions made by the league? Perhaps they have dancing clowns deciding the challenges and who gets suspended for what? Or maybe unicorns?

Nels Replying to Nels
Dan G

Dan G

December 1, 2017

And this is exactly how conspiracy theories are born and thrive. It’s the, “I can’t explain how something fits into my world view so it must be a conspiracy.”

You getting out maneuvered at a board meeting is not a conspiracy, so to equate that to “the NHL picks winners and losers and uses the officiating to grow certain fan bases” is a conspiracy theory. We’re all mad Landy got suspended, but the ref gave him 2 wacks at the guy and finally made the call on the third cross-check. We wouldn’t even be having this discussion if Landy showed some composure.

You want a better theory? It’s that the NHL is poorly run and the CBA doesn’t help. The CBA appears more designed to come to the defense of players who commit suspend-able acts than it is to protect players from dangerous play.

The NHL is an old boys club that keeps making the same mistakes year after year. Just look at their attempts to increase scoring, it’s a joke. Watch games and see how many rules the officials ignore because they have decided that they don’t want to make the judgement call. (icing is can be waved off if it is an attempted pass- never called; slashing has turned into an automatic call when a stick breaks even if there was no real slash; puck over the glass is not supposed to be an automatic call- but it is called that way; look at the goalie interference challenges… they make no sense)

It’s not a conspiracy, it’s incompetence.

Dan G Replying to Dan G
Nels

Nels

December 1, 2017

All heads if big business conspire to profit off of their customers & employees. It’s not a theory, it’s business. And no, the NHL hiring blind mental patients to make the calls on challenges, and who gets suspended for what, does NOT fit my world view. It’s also possible to be so afraid of anyone trying to take advantage of you that you will live in denial of the plain facts that are the foundation of our social/economic system. I never said that has to be what is wrong with the NHL though, only that it’s a way better bet than incompetence. I think it’s also quite possible that it is something completely political, as in some portion of the group that runs the decision making has a personal grudge against some or all of the Avs management. Though usually that sort of thing would also have some sort of monetary motive at it’s base if we’re talking about big business.

DNVR Flag

Scroll for next article