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Half a loaf is better than no loaf; Avs escape St. Louis with one big point

Adrian Dater
Adrian Dater
April 2, 2019
Half a loaf is better than no loaf; Avs escape St. Louis with one big point

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jbame

jbame

April 2, 2019

Man, that Ghetto decision with the game, maybe playoffs/season all on the line was a really poor choice by Bednar.

NoMoreRats

NoMoreRats

April 2, 2019

Not sure which game you were watching AD but Kerfoot deflected a Landy shot from the blue line 🙂

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NoMoreRats

NoMoreRats

April 2, 2019

Guess it was more the point than the blue line but it wasn’t a Soderberg lead pass.

https://www.nhl.com/avalanche/video/kerfoot-tips-in-tying-goal/t-277350912/c-67397903

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Adrian Dater

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April 2, 2019

Woops. I knew it was a Swede though

Colorado_Gary

Colorado_Gary

April 2, 2019

Love Ghetto, but if the Avs miss the playoffs by a point or a tiebreaker, wow, just wow. Barrie? The Condor? Soda? Kerfie? Even Brassard? You go to a guy like Ghetto if you’re 7 or 8 shooters in.

Bob_W

Bob_W

April 2, 2019

Bednar has said 2 things about shootout player selection: 1. They practice shootouts and he uses the players who do best. 2. He consults with the goalies and they tell him which shooters are the most difficult to defend.

The St. Louis second goal was a result of a turnover by MacKinnon who then just watched as the goal scorer took a second shot on the rebound.

jpwheels

jpwheels

April 2, 2019

When I saw it was Ghetto who got the nod as the third guy in the shootout, I was surprised.
I didn’t really have an issue with it, but I did think Jost or Kerfoot would have gotten the nod instead.
That said, I think Ghetto has been playing pretty well lately. And maybe coach was rewarding him for that.

I’m happy the Avs got the point. But I’m really disappointed the team laid a total egg in the first period…that was damned poor effort.

DP10

DP10

April 2, 2019

So what is the tie breakers between Arizona and Colorado? If I recall correctly, head-to-head, both teams have a regulation time win with the Avs holding the advantage by virtue of MacKinnon’s shootout winner. So that would put Colorado ahead in the event of both teams ending up with equal points and equal number of ROW’s (both have 34), right?

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April 2, 2019

I believe the Coyotes have the tie breaker in head to head: the avs wone in arizona and then lost in arizona but the first home game of the team with the higher number of home games is discounted. Thus yotes 2: Avs 0
Then the Avs won in Denver but the Yotes got an overtime point. Yotes 3: Avs 2 :/

That means the Avs need to gain in ROW because they are currently, as of tonight, tied with that. They can’t let it get to the head to head tie breaker

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DP10

April 2, 2019

Now I had to double-checked the tiebreaker rules on ESPN. It seems the tiebreaker you describe only comes into play if both teams have earned equal number of points in all head-to-head games, which they haven’t as Colorado has a 1pt edge. So if were equal on points, it first goes to ROWs, then to points earned for all head-to-head results, then first game in Arizona is disregarded. ROW’s will be hard to win for Colorado because they are currently tied. Only if Arizona were to make up the 2pt gap by virtue of 2 OTLs or a shootout win, would the head-to-head comparison be triggered, which would seem to be in Colorado’s favor.

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April 2, 2019

This is what NHL.com says, which is copied and pasted to the ESPN website:

The greater number of points earned in games between the tied clubs. If two clubs are tied, and have not played an equal number of home games against each other, points earned in the first game played in the city that had the extra game shall not be included. If more than two clubs are tied, the higher percentage of available points earned in games among those clubs, and not including any “odd” games, shall be used to determine the standing.

Its a little ambiguous. Where it says ‘If two clubs are tied, and have not played an equal number of home games against each other’, does this refer to tied in the standings or tied in head-to-head match-ups? Having read this, I think that I am right but like I say, it ambiguous… Can we have a third party arbitrator?

Currently they are tied on ROW so, providing that doesnt change and they finish with equal points in the standings, it will come down to head to head. Like I say, I believe the Yotes have this if it comes down to it and that cannot change

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DP10

DP10

April 2, 2019

There is actually a discussion on reddit about it, but opinions seem to diverge just as much: https://www.reddit.com/r/hockey/comments/b773m8/coloradoarizona_tiebreaker_clarification/

…BSN crew to the rescue please!!

earl08

earl08

April 2, 2019

I’m in a high pressure results based job. Seeing the Avs come out flat was a result of two things: one, STL having a great game plan, as ROR alluded to on the broadcast, & two, a banged up squad that lost their mental edge for a moment. We like to think that pro athletes are robots, who, based on prior results, are expected to perform at the highest level every time. This is not human nature. I’m not sure how motivational Bednar is, but this was definitely the type of game someone like Pat Burns or Pat Quinn would have made sure the team was Up for. Bednar has said multiple times, “we need self-motivated players.” This is BS; that’s a big part of the coach’s job. I do wish JB was a little more like Herb Brooks sometimes; show some fire & break from that stone persona once in a while. Maybe our next coach…

Joe Amaral

Joe Amaral

April 2, 2019

The puck bounced over Sven10s stick, he didn’t shoot it into Binnington’s pad, had that not happened I believe there was enough room for him to slide it in!

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