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Controversy dominates wild finish in Avs’ loss

AJ Haefele
AJ Haefele
October 20, 2017
Controversy dominates wild finish in Avs’ loss

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jpwheels

jpwheels

October 20, 2017

What a weird game. I’m quite happy the Avs didn’t pack it in after falling behind.
I think the Avs should have gotten at least one point out of it though. The refs first missed the call on Andrighetto being offside. And then they missed that he cleared the zone before the scoring play. There shouldn’t have been a coache’s challenge allowed. And we most likely would have been treated to OT.

It’s a shame about Compher getting injured and that he’ll be missing some time. That kid has non-stop motor and plays with an edge.

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Dan G

Dan G

October 20, 2017

Yes, nice to see that they didn’t fold after going down. The back breaker, the Blues’ fourth goal, looked like a total defensive zone breakdown, however. That just cannot happen.

RE: offsides call. He cleared the zone, but he already had the puck so unless the linesman calls a delay, I am not sure you can clear the zone when you have the puck. (although I would admit that I am not exactly sure) Also, the Blues were allowed to challenge because offside challenges are unlimited.

The Avs could learn a thing or two from the Blues about how to play the second game of a back to back on the road. No scheduled loss there, that’s for sure.

Dan G Replying to Dan G

October 20, 2017

Because Sven had brought the puck back on-sides without being whistled for off-sides the off-sides call becomes irrelevant. It’s like in a game of 21 once you bring the puck pass the blue line you are o.k. to enter back in as long as the refs don’t call it offside in the first place. Because Sven had brought the puck back onside without being whistled and the goal was scored after they were all on sides its a good goal and there is no way for it to be challenged as off-sides. Unless Mikko had gone off-sides before Sven brought the puck back in which he didn’t and therefore you have a good goal and a tie game with under 2 minutes left playing a team at elevation that had played the night before.

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October 20, 2017

You have that wrong. Sven was offsides the moment he touched the puck before he cleared the zone. Unfortunately the refs got that call right on the review. It’s just too bad Sven didn’t wait the half second it would have taken him to clear the zone before he got the puck and turned back into the zone. Because otherwise that was a great pass. Although you could tell the Blues far side defensemen knew the play was offsides because he basically stopped playing on the goal. He put his arm up like a ref would and turned to tell him he had missed the call.

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October 20, 2017

No no no. Sven was off-sides, we both can agree on this. The refs, however, never blew the whistle for an off-sides call. Had Sven NOT taken the puck on-sides before re entering the zone and the Avs scored then the review is acceptable and there is no goal.

BECAUSE Sven went BACK ON-SIDE BEFORE re entering the zone that eventually led to a goal the off-sides play becomes irrelevant. The Goal did not come on an off-sides penalty because they all re-entered the zone ON-SIDE.

Don’t tell me I’m wrong when you obviously have a bleak understanding of what your saying is wrong in the first place.

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October 20, 2017

Note 1 of Rule 78.7 in the 2017-18 NHL Rule Book says, a play cannot be reviewed for off-sides when the player(s) successfully “tag up” before the puck re-enters the zone.

Am i still Wrong WorkingMan??????

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October 20, 2017

Yes, because Sven didn’t successfully tag up before he was offside.

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October 20, 2017

well then you are a dumb cunt that’s not worth my time.

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October 20, 2017

Yes he did successfully tag up before re-entering the offensive zone. Which by rule, ill explain since you cant seem to do any cognitive thinking of your own, is a non review-able play. You cannot go back and review a play that was before the successful entrance into the offensive zone. I really don’t know how else to explain this to you, your mind just doesn’t understand basic concepts and for that i feel sorry for you. I said Sven was off-sides but the refs never called it and Sven came back out into the neutral zone, SUCCESSFULLY TAGGED UP, and re entered before the goal was scored. I’m here to help you buddy whatever you don’t understand ill try my best to dumb it down for you.

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Dan G

Dan G

October 21, 2017

Here’s the issue: He was off-sides initially. But the refs missed it. However, he entered the zone on sides and only that legal entry is a review-able play (not the original offsides). The original off-sides when he received the puck is not review-able. Ironically, and I think AJ captured this pretty well on the podcast, while the review was implemented incorrectly by the on ice officials, ultimately it actually negated a goal that should not have happened.

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jpwheels

jpwheels

October 20, 2017

I think RJM has explained it pretty well. But I’ll take a shot too.
The offside that the refs missed is not a reviewable infraction. It was just a standard offside call that wasn’t whistled. The play reset when Andrghetto cleared the zone. And only a zone entry that directly leads to a goal (most recent) can be reviewed.
The goal should have stood. The NHL has come out and admitted that the officials stuffed it up.

Here’s a link:
https://www.bsndenver.com/upon-further-review-nhl-admits-to-getting-critical-call-wrong-in-loss-to-blues/

And directly from the NHL:
https://www.nhl.com/news/situation-room-correction-avalanche-blues/c-292120660?tid=280504338

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