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Avs Notebook: More from Matt Duchene trade aftermath

Adrian Dater
Adrian Dater
November 7, 2017
Avs Notebook: More from Matt Duchene trade aftermath

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November 7, 2017

Thanks AD and BSN for your continuing coverage. My new home for Avs-related news.

Av-a-dabba-doo

Av-a-dabba-doo

November 7, 2017

Not a hockey comment, but if it makes you feel any better, AD, I think I can top your car rental stupidity by a huge margin. I have been fortunate to have traveled to more major world cities than you would want me to list in this post, both in the U.S. and abroad. These include metropolises that have the reputation of being among the craziest automobile-driving centers in the world, such as New York, Chicago, and Rome. Here’s the truth as I see it: Nowhere I have been to comes anywhere CLOSE to the insanity that is London, England. Even if it weren’t that they drive on the opposite side of the street from us (try getting used to that in swarming traffic), it would still be a matter of taking your life in your hands. But here’s the kicker: I RENTED A CAR THERE, AND DROVE! It was terrifying in a way that NYC could never be, believe me. I’m just thankful that somehow I made it through the experience alive and am here to warn my fellow man. Your error was child’s play compared to mine. Cheers.

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Mark T

Mark T

November 7, 2017

Try Jakarta. Never driven there myself but everyone I know who has (including people from there) say it’s the worst in the world.

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Dan G

Dan G

November 7, 2017

Try riding a motorcycle in Ho Chi Minh City. (well after the war)

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Mark T

Mark T

November 7, 2017

I’ve been there. The motorcycles are insane. I think anyone who claims western countries have the worst traffic probably haven’t lived in Asia.

Mark T Replying to Mark T
Dan G

Dan G

November 8, 2017

Yup. It was quite an adventure learning the rules of the road there. Sold the bike when I got to Hanoi to a Swedish guy looking to ride south.

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Dan G

Dan G

November 7, 2017

Ottawa got the best player in the trade. Hard to call that fleeced. They are looking for final pieces, so trading away assets makes sense for them now. Sakic did well, but let’s not fall all over ourselves trying to make sure Joe “won the trade” rather than see this for what it was. A good deal for three teams with different needs who look to have gotten hose needs met.

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Mark T

Mark T

November 7, 2017

It’s not hard to call it fleeced when you give up too much to get the best player in the deal. If Colorado traded MacKinnon, Rantanen, Jost, Makar, EJ and Barrie for Crosby, would it be fair to say Colorado was fleeced? That’s an extreme example of course but it shows that getting the best player does not automatically mean you didn’t get fleeced.

I never claimed the deal didn’t make sense for Ottawa. I’m claiming they gave up way too much to get Duchene. They gave up their #2 center (Turris), their most recent 1st round pick, their next first round pick, and a later 3rd. In return they get our #2 center (who is definitely better than Turris) and got rid of Hammond’s contract. So a essentially a top six player and two first round picks for one top line player. That’s a really high price.

I’m not out to try to make this trade anything I don’t genuinely see it as. Ottawa overpaid, Nashville got a fair deal, and Colorado got a great deal. Yes, every team got what they wanted and needed, but that doesn’t mean every team paid what they should have to get it.

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Av-a-dabba-doo

Av-a-dabba-doo

November 11, 2017

You could very well be right, Mark. I will say this, though. When they learned that I had rented a car in London, two or three different people (I think two of them were Brits!) said the same thing to me: “You’re braver than I am”. !! Ha ha.

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Mark T

Mark T

November 12, 2017

Yeah London traffic is insane. Not trying to say it’s not terrible.

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Av-a-dabba-doo

Av-a-dabba-doo

November 12, 2017
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November 8, 2017

One thing to note – New York is not really a car city. Just consider the fact that between the 2 bridges and the 2 tunnels connecting NJ and NYC, you have barely over 30 lanes to get across the Hudson River. And it certainly hasn’t improved since Uber and Lift unleashed their fleets.

Regarding the aftermath of the trade, a lot has been revealed that so far had only been speculation:
1) While it was more or less established that Duchene wanted to be traded, I don’t think the media ever picked up on the fact that he had approached Sakic to be traded??
2) His request to be traded coincided with the 6 game losing streak (including a 6-0 shutout at home to Toronto, which I believe was the same game where Mackinnon made some very desperate comments about the chemistry of the team).
3) There has been quite a bit of speculation that Duchene was particularly affected by Roy’s departure. This seems to be supported by his comments in the immediate aftermath at the Barclay Center as well as during the press conference in Ottawa, where he generally spoke highly and appreciative of Roy and also Sakic.
4) With this trade, Tyson Barrie is the only remaining piece from their 2009 draft picks (arguably their best draft year in the past decade), which is really quite astounding.

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Chris DeMott

Chris DeMott

November 8, 2017

Well said. You are the first that I have seen to have brought this up. The coverage has been presented as the opposite. Namely, the Avalanche looking to move him strictly out of motivation to improve the team and/or “blow up the core”. When in fact, Matt told Joe that “he couldn’t go through another rebuild”. As to Roy, I think to some degree he was in the same boat. Without Stastny and O’Reilly, he was essentially coaching a rebuild and clearly Roy wasn’t willing to do that either.

Mark T

Mark T

November 7, 2017

I was away on holiday and avoiding hockey news until I’d caught up on the games, so I just heard about all this.

I’m very happy with the deal. A whole bunch of picks and prospects for our 2nd line center (I like Duchene but that’s what he was on this team) is a great deal. Hopefully the kids work out, but a deal like this isn’t about certainty. I think Ottawa got fleeced in this one.

Also, I think it’s quite poetic that one of the pieces from the last big deal (J.T. Compher) is now going to be our 2nd line center as a result of this deal. I hope he ends up putting up more points than O’Reilly.

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