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As William Nylander continues to wait, should the Avalanche make a play for the talented forward?

AJ Haefele
AJ Haefele
October 23, 2018
As William Nylander continues to wait, should the Avalanche make a play for the talented forward?

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Cgapter083

Cgapter083

October 23, 2018

Good read as always!

Foppa21

Foppa21

October 23, 2018

Not saying they should do it now, but keeping the expansion draft in mind, would it make sense to trade Barrie for futures/prospects (i.e. something expansion draft exempt)? Or do you keep him around as expansion draft fodder?

Unit5

Unit5

October 23, 2018

In conclusion, I 100% agree with your conclusion. Thanks for the thorough analysis that pretty much lays it all out.

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Cerveau

Cerveau

October 24, 2018

Yup, an article full of brilliant thoughts, which in their brilliance keep us totally confused, except for the conclusion, which concludes… in the final analysis… don’t even bother thinking about it.

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Cerveau

Cerveau

October 24, 2018

By the way, I really enjoyed the article too!
I enjoy all of AJ’s writing.

PK

PK

October 23, 2018

Great article! Based on how Sakic has been the past few years I doubt we get Nylander(which I agree with your assessment). AJ have you been up the road to watch Kaut play yet? If so how is he looking so far?

LSVeitel56

LSVeitel56

October 23, 2018

Fantastic article, AJ. Thank you!

Skyler Thomson

Skyler Thomson

October 23, 2018

Great read!! Fully agree. Keep up the great work!

gtq

gtq

October 23, 2018

Nicely written.

Avsolutely

Avsolutely

October 23, 2018

Really great piece AJ. Agree 100%.

ThePhotoGorilla

ThePhotoGorilla

October 23, 2018

Nylander is enticing, no doubt. And even if the salary demand is false, another issue to consider is the hold out. Sakic has a sharp eye on attitude and locker room environment – not sure a hold out fits in to that space. I think Barrie goes as early as the trade deadline IF Makar is signed after the college season. But that is probably too soon for Super Joe, unless the return is an exact fit. More likely, he is moved by Christmas 2019.

The Heretic

The Heretic

October 23, 2018

Okay, AJ, so let’s say throughout the month of November the top line stays on it’s current pace, the goaltending stays amazing, secondary scoring continues to struggle, and the boys keep racking up points. Does that consistent play right before the rfa cutoff change your mind?

In my mind a few things could change the conversation about the Avs this season. If Gruby shows up all season and francous (I’m not looking it up dude) tears it up then Varly is expendable no matter how great his play is. We could easily trade him at the deadline to solidify the defense and role into the playoffs with first and secondary scoring rolling (assume we made the trade here), a solid defense, and good goaltending.

My point, I guess, is while the trade could muddy up the money waters, there’s very real line of thinking that could convince Joe we could go for it. A savy GM could handle the money and draft while remaining very competitive for a number of years. It think winning a lot of our beginning road games could very well make Joe pull the trigger. We know we can rack up wins at home. If we kill it through the road heavy schedule in the beginning then we aren’t talking about a wildcard spot, we are talking possible home advantage for two rounds.

This just seems like a heart and brain battle. Brain says “woah, money”. Heart says “winning feels so good”. Heart is going to feel it even more with a successful November.

winchester4261

winchester4261

October 23, 2018

You’re probably right that the Avs should stay patient, but I for one think Nylander is underrated. This article on The Athletic by Ian Tulloch does a good job of breaking down how great Nylander has been the past two years. https://theathletic.com/600405/2018/10/20/is-william-nylander-undervalued-an-analytical-look-suggests-he-is/

mladen

mladen

October 23, 2018

I love the article and the conclusion. Other teams players are seldom as attractive as they look from afar.

Rich

Rich

October 23, 2018

Great article! In my opinion, Sakic pulls the plug and makes a deal for Nylander. The Avs finally have enough solid defensive prospects to back fill the void caused in trading Barrie. With that said my biggest concern, besides Barrie what else would Toronto want in return?

KCRybek

KCRybek

October 23, 2018

I know it’s not this simple but I’d rather pay $7mm for Nylander than $6mm for Barrie

picaro

picaro

October 23, 2018

Horrible article.

Just kidding. I just didn’t want to be another “Great read!” in a sea of many.

Oh well. Great read! I agree completely. Regardless of our final record, the Stanley window is still a little to the right of where the Avs are in their development. Even if Nylander lowers his asking price, the negotiations with TOR (even if you think TOR is being unreasonable) strike me as a little redolent of the situation with O’Reilly a few years back. Nylander is not necessarily unreasonable in his demands, but his demands are big, and that could bring some off-ice baggage (financial and personal) the team would have to contend with, on top of all the other dynamics and issues on the horizon, as you point out.

Sean.kells

Sean.kells

October 23, 2018

Great read. Thanks AJ

JustinErickson

JustinErickson

October 23, 2018

The saga of Toronto. I believe people might be looking at this at the wrong angle a bit. Dubas has already made big statements in public and I’m sure even more behind closed doors about keeping Nylander with no room for excuses. He didn’t say “We’ll do whatever we can..”. He said “We want to keep the three with Tavares and we will.” No question he had to sound even more confident about that to convince Tavares. So I don’t think he’s looking to trade Nylander. To fail at that promise would look too bad to Toronto media and to the locker room. I think he’s looking for decent young prospects that will play well with the quartet of stars or can shore up defense and he’s looking at teams that can take any expensive contracts off of his hands. The most important thing he’s looking for is the latter. And my guess is that he’s looking at other teams to see what teams could take Kadri with one of the expensive guys coming off their elc’s next year not named Tavares, Marner, nylander, or Matthews. I may have some of those details wrong but my guess is that Dubas isn’t looking for a Nylander trade because his integrity and credibility are on the line.

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winchester4261

winchester4261

October 23, 2018

I agree that this is a critical move for Dubas in his young tenure as GM. Seems like a trade wouldn’t be ideal because of what he has said publicly, but there also seems to be a lot of ego/assumptions in what he and Shanahan have said about signing them all. Nylander has the unfortunate luck to be the first of the big three to sign and should be worried that both Matthews and Marner get a lot more pay than he does. I understand Nylander’s position and it clearly is right to demand top dollar…of course value is in the eye of the beholder.

As for Kadri…his contract seems pretty good to me…cheaper than Carl…. They should get rid of Marleau before Kadri, but might be hard to find a taker.

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JustinErickson

JustinErickson

October 24, 2018

Ya I don’t blame nylander at all. He’s gotta feel like the odd one out and the one asked to “take one for the team”. It’s not his fault dubas thought he could do it all.

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Chris DeMott

Chris DeMott

October 24, 2018

Nice take, well said.

likeAbeast

likeAbeast

October 23, 2018

Excellent read! Big concern (for me) with Nylander is either last year or the year before Friedman said in “31 thoughts” he was hearing from a few people Nylander was reminding them of Alex Kovalev and not in a good way… This team has a good thing going, player and (seemingly) locker room wise why not be patient and see this summer with the guys you mentioned (Stone, Eberle, etc.)?

HodgPodge

HodgPodge

October 23, 2018

Great article. I 100% agree with most of it. But we do need to improve the second line somehow. Packaging Jost and Timmins could make for a great return without hurting our depth too much

Sports_Guy89

Sports_Guy89

October 23, 2018

Loved the article!

Avs425

Avs425

October 23, 2018

Very good Sir!

KCRybek

KCRybek

October 24, 2018

You jinxed it AJ. Sounds like 6×7 for Nylander

jpwheels

jpwheels

October 24, 2018

I usually don’t fry too many of the few remaining brain cells I have going this deep on these kind of things.
Getting too deeply into it has always taken away some of the fun of simply watching the team play.
But your piece is very informative and laid out nicely…excellent job AJ!

The Avs needs additional, consistent scoring help. I think everyone sees that.
And it looks like there are guys in the system that should help out with that, in time.
But I think there’s a fair bit of risk in that.
We don’t know how many (if any) of the young guys coming up will actually turn out to be as good as the team needs when the team needs them. It could be that any of the young guys take a couple of years before they’re rounding into shape as productive players.
So I’d like to see Joe get a young guy that has a track record now…but just be careful on the cost.
I don’t know if Nylander is that guy, from a cost standpoint.

faydout

faydout

October 24, 2018

I don’t think the cost of Nylander is worth the benefit of having him when there are other options either in our system already, or one we could potentially land this summer. Especially if it looks like we’re going to be on the verge of being competitive and making deep post season runs (easier to convince a UFA that your team is THE team to sign with).

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