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Grading the Colorado Avalanche draft weekend

AJ Haefele
AJ Haefele
June 26, 2016
Grading the Colorado Avalanche draft weekend

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June 27, 2016

I think the fact you had to get past the players they left on the board automatically precludes them from getting any kind of A on their first pick.

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mcarson01

June 27, 2016

It sounds like you’re saying that if a team doesn’t pick the player who Central Scouting says they should have picked, then they didn’t do a good job. I understand that we have to grade them somehow, but I’m not sure that’s the best way to do it, even though I can’t really think of a better way either. Something to keep in mind is that the people working for Central Scouting are mostly scouts that couldn’t get a job with an NHL team. Could be because they are young and cutting their teeth, or they’ve been fired by a team. Maybe a few just prefer the lifestyle at CS compared to working for a team. For the most part though, they aren’t considered to be the best scouts in the world right now, compared to those employed by teams. Those that are considered to be the best in the world right now, create their own list that don’t line up 100% with Central scouting. Those are the real boards, we just don’t get to see them.

Another thing that isn’t shown on any public list, is how close a given player is to another that might be ranked right above/below. But for this particular year, it seemed that the players ranked between 7 and 12 were very close and hard to predict how each team might have them ranked. The reason I say that is because variation of rankings between the different public lists. So many players were interchangeable for those spots, it really just came down to the opinion of the scouts for the team picking, and not so much the opinion of Central Scouting at all. Anyway though, with all that in mind, I don’t really get why the Jost pick wouldn’t be an A+, because the expert scouts for the Avs picked the guy they thought was better. Personally, I was hoping for Brown or Jost right before our pick was made, so I love it.

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June 27, 2016

No I’m saying if AJ had to talk himself into being ok with the guys they passed on I’m not sure how you give them an A-. The Avs picked the guy that was the second best player on the board, so it’s not like they really went off on their own. Just an observation of his assessment.

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mcarson01

June 27, 2016

Yeah, I totally misunderstood where you were going with that then. Makes sense now.

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June 27, 2016

My comment was more about me having to get my personal bias and preferences and take a step back for a more objective look. For me, Keller was my guy. Chychrun and McLeod would have been my personal preferences. Jost is a very good prospect in his own right but my personal feelings about the players aren’t relevant when doing a grading piece like this. Once I took a step back from that, I found a greater appreciation for the moves they made through their own analysis.

June 27, 2016

My problem with the draft is this: The Avs, by universal proclamation, are in desperate need of
quality D. THey traded away the best +/- D man we had for a fourth rounder, next year ( quick…name a fourth rounder who has had success with the Avs). The only D they drafted is a guy who had a serious injury, in a program that most of us have never heard of.

So it seems to me, this coming season is looking like a repeat, or worse, of the last two. During Roy’s tenure, the team has done worse, each year.

I’m not seeing much from the weekend that was done to improve the upcoming squad.

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June 27, 2016

The first thing you should do when assessing the NHL Draft is stop viewing it as a way to improve the immediate team. The NHL Draft selects kids who are 17-19 years old. This is not the NFL. The NHL Draft is not a means for improving the NHL club immediately. Very few draft picks make immediate impacts. The Avalanche as an organization has a better pipeline of prospects at every level, including the NHL, on defense than any other position. They were badly lacking in quality forward prospects, especially at center, so their first two picks went to fill the organization’s biggest weakness as a whole.

If the Avalanche are going to improve the current defense, it needs to be done by means of trade or free agency. The draft is something that feeds your organization 2-4 years down the road. This draft, especially, was about long-term impact.

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mcarson01

June 27, 2016

Don’t you think the draft is sort of bad place to improve now though, especially on D, since it takes 3-4 years for them to develop? Though getting Sergachyov would have awesome, and I doubt it would take him too long to develop. It does seem like we have some relief coming for D that is finishing up those developmental years in Zadorov and Bigras. I can understand how it’s hard to get excited about them though because they aren’t new names and it’s sort of hard to see how they will make an immediate impact. But, that’s just how defenders develop, right. And sense we need room for them, moving Holden made decent sense to me. I haven’t been too thrilled with him lately anyway. I wouldn’t mind trading somebody for a top defender, but right now we wouldn’t have a lot of room, unless we move another dman.

mcarson01 Replying to mcarson01

June 27, 2016

Yeah, but who do we have in SA, that looks promising. Bigras didn’t look so good, but he had just a whiff in the NHL. Zadorov might be a good Dman, if he can keep his head in the game for the whole game. I’d think he’s the best prospect, and he’ll probably be on the opening night roster. My point is that it is a perpetual need, and it doesn’t look good down the pike. Seems like Butcher at DU is more or less given up on by current mgmt.

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June 27, 2016

Way short-sighted here. The Rampage are going to have Lindholm, Boikov, Geertsen, and potentially Siemens again. That’s four legit prospects for the Rampage. Zadorov and Bigras could reasonably make the opening night roster and there’s still Butcher and Meloche that could be signed and brought into pro hockey in 2017. That’s a healthy pipeline with a variety of talents on the way up. It shouldn’t be overlooked that the opening night roster could have Barrie, Gelinas, Zadorov, and Bigras on it, which would be four guys who are 25 or younger. There’s less of a need for a constant influx of talent when you potentially have your core D group that’s going to be there for the next several years already in place. Add in Johnson, whose 7-year extension begins next year and the raw need for drafting a top defenseman simply wasn’t there. It would’ve been a luxury to get Sergachev and it would have been great but they’re just fine having gone with a forward focus early on. It’s about more than the NHL team.

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June 28, 2016

No problem, it was just a dumb observation I probably could have just kept to myself anyways haha.

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June 28, 2016

Gotcha.

June 27, 2016

I understand the NFL and NHL drafts are different, in terms of immediate impact. However, the Avs didn’t draft much in the way of future prospects for D this year. They may have an impending forward prospect issue, but the D issue seems more immediate, and D usually take longer to develop.

Mgmt has made it clear they will not be big spenders in the FA market, and honestly, I don’t know who we would use for trade bait for a top flight defenseman. Nor do I know many teams willing to let go of great defenseman. Did well with Beauch, last year, but Brad stweart was a disaster.

So, I’m sticking with my gloomy thoughts for next season. Hope that I am wrong, nothing would make me happier!

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