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Avalanche Notebook: Kerfoot nears return

AJ Haefele
AJ Haefele
December 17, 2017
Avalanche Notebook: Kerfoot nears return

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Mark T

Mark T

December 18, 2017

Good insight from Nemeth. I wonder who the scratch will be if they go back to 6 permanently even with EJ in the lineup? Before last game I would have thought Gerard. Now I’m not sure. Lindholm?

I also am torn about EJ being potentially suspended. I obviously hope he isn’t, but that is precisely the kind of play the NHL wants out of hockey, and I hate when the NHL/refs take into account whether or not an injury happened. The Tampa player very easily could have been seriously injured there. The fact that he wasn’t is due to luck as much as anything. I know if that had been one of our forwards and Hedman had propelled them into the boards, I might be expecting a suspension. In any case, if he is out I hope it’s for 1 or 2 games at most.

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Bob_W

Bob_W

December 18, 2017

NHL.com says EJ suspended for 2 games.

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Mark T

Mark T

December 18, 2017

Thanks. It sucks but I think that’s fair.

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Bob_W

Bob_W

December 18, 2017

I’ve never played hockey nor was I on the ice for that push so I do not know how hard of a shove EJ gave him or whether his own momentum and loss of edge caused the “injury”. But I do not see it as “boarding”. I do see those types of pushes in games all the time and they do not produce injury and are not called as penalties.

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Av-a-dabba-doo

Av-a-dabba-doo

December 18, 2017

Interesting you say that, Bob. I watched this game with my one and only hockey pal, who is very knowledgeable and also plays competitively. [BTW, I’ve been trying to get him to start posting on here — yeah I’m looking at you, Larry.] Anyway, when the Johnson penalty was announced he said, “They called that BOARDING?”. So your sentiments aren’t yours alone.

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Mark T

Mark T

December 18, 2017

How is it not boarding though? He pushed him into the boards. There’s no way EJ would have thought he wouldn’t smash into the boards (and if he didn’t think so he should have). Maybe he thought the guy would stay on his feet, but no matter which way you look at it that push was certainly going to lead the guy directly into the boards. Hitting someone into the boards when they’re a couple feet away and unable to stop is the definition of boarding, no?

I’m not a ice hockey player either, so take my opinion with a grain of salt, bit I haven’t seen a strong argument against my opinion on this yet.

Mark T Replying to Mark T

December 18, 2017

Yep, no matter what Larry may think that was a pretty clear-cut boarding penalty, and a completely unnecessary one at that. If the guy still had the puck when EJ hit him it would still have been boarding, but he could at least have said he was trying to disrupt the puck carrier… but that hit was after the guy had got rid of the puck, there was absolutely no reason to hit him like that at all. EJ had already got a slashing penalty, was frustrated, and he took it out on a guy who was headed towards the boards.

Mark T Replying to Mark T

December 18, 2017

Boarding is one of the few penalties where the location and the result defines it as much as the action itself. Yes, that same push in another spot in the ice is no penalty 98% of the time, and would be maybe a weak interference call the other 2%. That same push near the boards but that doesn’t force the player violently into the boards is not a penalty most of the time either, maybe a cross check or something. But that same push to player near the boards that also causes him to hit the boards violently is boarding. It’s one of the more subjective rules in the rulebook, but that doesn’t mean that all boarding calls are iffy calls… this one was pretty obvious IMO.

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Bob_W

Bob_W

December 18, 2017

I must confess that after reading the rule in the NHL rulebook that I have had to change my mind about what constitutes boarding. Previously I had based my opinion upon what was said in TV broadcasts about hitting from behind and whether or not the player could see the numbers before the hit. I also had a general impression that it involved using the body to jam a player against the boards. None of these impressions are correct. The rule does not mention hitting from behind at all,Here is the rule:
41.1
Boarding
– A boarding penalty shall be imposed on any player who
checks or pushes a defenseless opponent in such a manner that
causes the opponent to hit or impact the boards violently or
dangerously. The severity of the penalty, based upon the impact with
the boards, shall be at the discretion of the Referee.
There is an enormous amount of judgment involved in the
application of this rule by the Referees. The onus is on the player
applying the check to ensure his opponent is not in a defenseless
position and if so, he must avoid or minimize contact. However, in
determining whether such contact could have been avoided, the
circumstances of the check, including whether the opponent put
himself in a vulnerable position immediately prior to or simultaneously
with the check or whether the check was unavoidable can be
considered. This balance must be considered by the Referees when
applying this rule.
Any unnecessary contact with a player playing the puck on an
obvious “icing” or “off-side” play which results in that player hitting or
impacting the boards is “boarding” and must be penalized as such. In
other instances where there is no contact with the boards, it should be
treated as “charging.”

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Av-a-dabba-doo

Av-a-dabba-doo

December 18, 2017

Ha ha, poor Larry. Maybe I shouldn’t have mentioned his name! Anyway, so as not to give the wrong idea: Neither of us disagreed with the penalty at all (which perhaps seems to be the implication of your above comment). I wasn’t even saying that we disagreed with it being boarding. Rather, that the initial reaction raised a question about it, b/c it was not your typical instance of that penalty. IOW, initially it didn’t look like it, but that’s because it was a less common example.

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Av-a-dabba-doo

Av-a-dabba-doo

December 18, 2017

Sorry, I didn’t realize your post was in response to mine (I thought you were talking to Bob above). Anyway, yeah, I would say it is boarding. My point was that at first it didn’t look like your run of the mill boarding infraction. The more commonly seen example happens when a player who is near and facing the wall gets blasted into it from behind by an opposing player impacting their back (numbers).

Chris DeMott

Chris DeMott

December 18, 2017

Although, I do think EJ was a bit unlucky as the push occurs at the bottom of the face off circle several feet from the boards and most of the time players would have been able hold a better edge to avoid careening out of control into the boards, this too would have to be considered an undisciplined penalty by one of the team leaders. EJ and Lando will need to stop hurting their team with this kind of stuff before we can expect to see things like disciplined team defense.

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