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Brutal Barberio giveaway and penalty dooms Avs

Adrian Dater
Adrian Dater
November 11, 2017
Brutal Barberio giveaway and penalty dooms Avs

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Av-a-dabba-doo

Av-a-dabba-doo

November 12, 2017

I plan to listen to the new podcast as soon as I can, but for now will just say that I didn’t
like the Avs play today. Yes, I like Girard and some of our younger
talent. But for whatever reasons, our overall play-quality is just not
that good. I’m sure it is several things, but as I said recently in another BSN comment, with as many ‘unforced errors’ as we commit, at some point you
have to begin to look at the coach. These games in Sweden were a real
disappointment for me. What really bothers
me is that at the very beginning of the season
we were playing an impressively smooth and effective brand of hockey. We
all got hopeful. Since then, instead of building on those attributes and
getting even better with experience, we have clearly regressed. Frustrating, obviously.

Av-a-dabba-doo

Av-a-dabba-doo

November 12, 2017

I plan to listen to the new BSN podcast as soon as I can, but for now will just say that I didn’t like the Avs today. Yes, I like Girard and some of our younger talent. But for whatever reasons, our overall play-quality is just not that good — in either end of the rink. I’m sure it is several things, but as I said in a BSN comment recently, with as many ‘unforced errors’ as we commit, at some point you have to begin to look at the coach. I am not calling for his head, but these games in Sweden were a real disappointment for me. I feel they went to Stockholm and rep’d Colorado pretty abysmally. What bothers me most of all is that at the very beginning of the seasonwe were playing an impressively smooth and effective brand of hockey. We all got hopeful. Since then, instead of building on those attributes and getting even better with experience, we have clearly regressed. Frustrating, obviously.

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Bob_W

Bob_W

November 12, 2017

Before we throw Bednar under the bus I think there are couple of things to keep in mind, 1st this is a very young Avs team and I expect to see games where they play brilliantly and games like Saturday’s where they make bonheaded mistakes. 2nd remember that the Senators is a very diffiicult trapping opponent who came very close to ousting the Penguins from the playoffs last Spring. I too was very frustrated with Saturday’s loss after taking the lead into the 3rd period but the neutral zone turnover is the signature play in Ottawa’s neutral zone trapping scheme.

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Av-a-dabba-doo

Av-a-dabba-doo

November 12, 2017

Appreciate those comments, Bob. I’m sure you saw that I said I wasn’t calling for Bednar’s head. So even though I feel it is fair to question certain things (personnel choices, handling of Zadorov, whether he’s connecting meaningfully with his team, etc.), I don’t want to overreact to a bad weekend. Let’s hope for most positive things going forward. Keep up the good posts!

Av-a-dabba-doo Replying to Av-a-dabba-doo
Bob_W

Bob_W

November 12, 2017

Yeah. My comments were directed at the BSN guys more than at you. And this was before I listened to the podcast.

I also wonder how much the weird (to this point) schedule has to do with the Avs inconsistancy. Playing 2 or 3 games and then having 4 or 5 days off seems to really disrupt any rhythm or consistency that a team, especially a young team might have. At any rate the schedule will normalize starting this Thursday so maybe by the middle to end of December we will know about that.

November 12, 2017

Maybe I am way out of line here but I feel missing Nemeth right now is hurting the team. His advanced stats have not been great the last games, could be due to a lingering injury, but I feel the amount of missed assignments he had was very low. This I believe is why his +/- is so good and I think he worked as a solid foil for Barrie and kind of anchored the second pairing. Ive noticed Zadorov is constantly missing assignments and doesn’t seem to have the drive the of the other Dmen. As for Bigras I think he is playing well but just needs to slow his game down and learn a bit of patience. He had a great break up on the last Ottawa goal but panicked and made a poor turnover. We need two solid shutdown Dmen on the top 2 pairings and not having that seems to effect the avalanche game. As good as Girard is I don’t think he’s a proper partner for Barrie. I think with his skill he could move up to be quite effective on the top pairing with Johnson.
I’m curious what other people think but I’m starting to believe Zadorov might either be traded or sent down to the AHL as his level of compete does not seem to be the same as the younger defencemen or the rest of the team for that matter. .

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Mark T

Mark T

November 12, 2017

Zadorov needs to clear waivers to be sent down so that’s not an option, and trading him while he’s struggling and getting scratched is also not a good option. It’s wayyyy too soon to give up on Z.

I agree though the team is missing Nemeth, but I think they’re missing Lindholm more.

Mark T Replying to Mark T

November 12, 2017

I am not sure how I feel about Lindholm. He always felt like a second or third pairing for me but he is not defensively responsible enough to anchor Barrie. Its a tough one even though he seemed to pair very well with EJ. Watching Barrie with Nemeth on his pairing he had more jump in his step and was less hesitant with the puck. I feel with a weaker defensive partner, or less confident in the case of Z, his hesitation costs him. As for Big Z clearing waivers I don’t know many teams that would pick up a 2.15M Cap hit D man off waivers but I guess it is possible. Either way Z is a liability on the ice and I thought that was abhorrently apparent in the Friday game. Of course its a young defensive team and this is expected but for a guy who showed a fair amount of maturity last year he seems to have regressed.

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Mark T

Mark T

November 12, 2017

I think Z needs to grow up a bit because he seems to only play well when he’s feeling confident as a result of playing well. This is great when it’s happening, but it also means he seems to have a really tough time playing even half-decent when he’s not confident.

As for Lindholm, I think he was just a really stead presence in the back end. Had he been playing instead of Barberio in that game I have to wonder if we would have lost. Same goes for Nemeth.

Mark T Replying to Mark T

November 12, 2017

Very fair statement. Barberio was a rental last year to fill a void I don’t feel is as glaring anymore. However until last night there was not a lot of justification to scratch him. If he is not going to be a top line pairing (which he shouldn’t be) there are better players to put into the second and third pairing that will be more influential on the Av’s future.
Lindholm I need a bigger sample size to make a call but god I hope you’re right.

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Mark T

Mark T

November 12, 2017

I still think Barberio is a valuable player as a bottom 4/healthy scratch guy you can bring in if a rookie needs to be a sent down or scratched. He simply doesn’t belong playing on the top pair at this point in his career. And he certainly deserves to be scratched in favor of Big Z after that last game.

As for Lindholm, I fully expect him to struggle from time to time, but the style of his game seems to leave a lot less room for mistakes than some other guys. I don’t think we’ll ever see him try to stickhandle through a guy at his own blue line, for example.

Mark T Replying to Mark T

November 12, 2017

Fair I do hope they give z a chance to prove himself but he needs to want it more. He hasn’t acted like he’s fighting for a spot when he should be. His level of compete comes with your point of maturity. When he gets more mature I hope to see the less defensive coverage breakdowns since he would be skating harder.

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Nels

Nels

November 12, 2017

I think we definitely missed Nemeth bad in those Ottawa games. And they should definitely try Girard with EJ. He and Barrie don’t make a good pair though, they did better than I expected. I would always play any of the young guys and leave Barbs as scratch (esp. after his disaster in Sweden).

Mark T

Mark T

November 12, 2017

Barberio was absolutely awful in this game, and most of the rest of the team outside Barrie, Gerard and Kerfoot were basically shut down by the Sens.

I don’t really blame the team that much though. The Sens are a really good team built for the playoffs. They should be better than the Avs at this point. I think what really hurt the Avs was missing Nemeth, Lindholm and Soderberg. All three guys were playing very solid, consistent hockey for the team. Without them, the team becomes much more one-dimensional and inexperienced.

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Nels

Nels

November 12, 2017

Well said. Also thought Nemeth was sorely missed.

Dan G

Dan G

November 12, 2017

It’s definitely way too early to give up on Zads. Hopefully Varly, as a vet, can take him under his wing a bit and help him to mature. So many guys with tons of natural talent struggle when the game gets harder and can take a while for them to learn that hard work needs to accompany the talent. I am not sure what the right answer is exactly, but the healthy scratches didn’t seem to have the desired impact. Maybe the approach needs to be to play him no matter what and deal with the consequences, both good and bad. It’s not like this team is gunning for a playoff run. Let the guy play and learn.

We need to have a similar attitude with Bednar. This organization has a long history of staying away from well established coaches with a track record of success at the NHL level. In fact it’s quite the opposite so we are just going to have to sit here at watch Bednar learn on the job. If they fire him, it’s not as if they are going to go out and hire a veteran coach to replace him. It will just be a different guy with little to no NHL experience or – shutter – bring Granato back for a third time around the block.

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Nels

Nels

November 12, 2017

Definitely need to be playing Z no matter what right now. And Greer instead of Rocco or Bourque for the same reason of allowing the guy to develop so we can see what we have. Also AJ might appear to be playing the dumb agitator role but I am yet to see him fold up when things get tougher.

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