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Avs-Coyotes player grades: Desert disappointment

AJ Haefele
AJ Haefele
December 23, 2018
Avs-Coyotes player grades: Desert disappointment

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Moli92

Moli92

December 23, 2018

What happened to Compher’s grade?

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December 23, 2018

Really weird. I went in to edit and it’s there. Not sure why it’s not showing up on the post itself. He got an A- though.

gtq

gtq

December 23, 2018

Is it possible we aren’t a very good team? I look at lines 2 through 4 and who do you think might actually score a goal? We don’t have a legitimate second line.

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Chris DeMott

Chris DeMott

December 24, 2018

Yes, the Avs are a very good team. Because of the 31 and soon to be 32 team expansion, most teams don’t have depth through the top 2 lines. Almost every team would trade top lines with the Avs straight up. That alone makes the Avs very close to being elite. Then when you factor in top 4 defense, bottom 6 depth and goaltending depth the Avs are maybe 1 or 2 players away from being a perennial cup contender.

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jpwheels

jpwheels

December 24, 2018

Wow…that’s one shiny outlook on the team!
I was just thinking about this question today — just how good are the Avs?
And I have a really different opinion.
The Avs absolutely do have some great players, but they too often don’t play like they are.
I think the team also has some pretty good role players too. And they struggle too much as well.

The mantra everyone associated with the Avs spouted going into this season was the players/team needed to be consistent. We heard and read it quite a bit. And the lack of consistency is what has the team in a bit of a spiral lately.
In the twitterverse after the last couple of losses, the term streaky was applied to the Avs. And I think it fits. But streaky won’t get the Avs anywhere near where they want to be. And neither will the up/down effort and focus.
And while there’s no question there are guys on the bench who can make the Avs a great team, they’re a long ways from being a great team now because they take too many plays/games off or have brain cramps too frequently.

Yeah, I know it’s a long season and every team goes through some of this. As we’re often reminded, it’s a roller coaster. But upper echelon teams suffer less often from the dips and get headed in the right direction quickly. The Avs haven’t figured it out yet.

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DP10

DP10

December 24, 2018

One does get the sense that apart from the first line and maybe Compher, our forwards are just along for the ride at times. Soderberg has 1pt in the last 8 games. Kerfoot went 8 games without a point. Wilson, Andrighetto, Jost all have had similar or worse droughts. It’s a steep drop-off at the moment and I think this is what Bednar needs to solve in the new year.

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JDC15

JDC15

December 24, 2018

I think they are somewhere between. The top line is Stanley cup winning quality, and I think they have found 2/3rds of a 2nd line in Kerfoot & Compfer. Soderberg I think I agree w/AJ has really blossomed as that 3C put him out in any situation guy. My problem is Nieto and Calvert who IMO are perfect 4th line burners w/forechecking presence like crazy not 3rd line guys who are going to chip in 30-40 pts. You here about how much of a 200ft player Jost is I would like to see him next to Soderberg to see if Big Carl’s game would compliment him more than his struggles playing w/the ‘top 6’ guys. The 4th line I’d like to see is Dries, Nieto, Calvert not big but can skate and be an energy presence. The defense has me concerned. EJ, Barrie, Z, Nemeth, Barbs and now Lindholm have struggled mightily for long stretches and their struggles have affected the goal tending. They are almost there but not quite.

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Chris DeMott

Chris DeMott

December 26, 2018

Well streaky play did happen to win the Kings a couple cups… but I’m with you, sort of. The point is that the Avs are a very good team. Are they Tampa or Toronto? No, but they are a solid playoff team as opposed to a bubble team and that is something to keep in mind – hockey is a game of bounces sometimes good teams get smoked it happens. And, what’s with the lack of love for Nieto? That’s one of the better third line players in the league. He’s really fast, solid defensively and improving his finishing game. Not to mention young and cheap. Why don’t Avs fans like him?

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ahinton54

ahinton54

December 25, 2018

Cup contenders…please.

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Chris DeMott

Chris DeMott

December 26, 2018

Read the whole post – 1 or 2 players away from that. Also, keep in mind what a cup winning roster usually looks like. A cup contender is built w/ 5 to 6 core players” a hot goalie and a solid group of role players who buy in and gel at the right time. Very rarely does the early season glamour team actually win the chalice. Otherwise Tampa and Nashville would have more cups.

JDC15

JDC15

December 23, 2018

AJ spot on with Jost. It is becoming incredibly clear with him, IMO, that he is an odd fit with this team because of his lack of speed. A number of times It just looked like he wasn’t able to get to loose pucks at the boards and in the slot. Where as Compfer and Kerfoot look to be thriving in their expanding (when healthy) roles, Jost seems to struggle continually. Maybe sliding him in w/Soderberg would be a better fit and add some additional pop to that line.

phawksmulder

phawksmulder

December 23, 2018

Thought came to mind during the MacKinnon scare. What does the lineup look like for you guys if MacKinnon went down for an extended time? Would the Soderberg line be disassembled? Would Landy and Mikko be broken up? Who gets exposed at 1C?

Mapletreemarty

Mapletreemarty

December 23, 2018

When I saw that it was Landy who dropped the gloves, I was yelling at my TV.

WHY?!?! Your team is rolling right now, you just tied the game up after you decided to do nothing in the first 40 mins and then you’re going to take yourself off the ice for 5 mins when there are less then 8 mins in the game and essentially hand over all that moment you’ve been gathering the first half of the third period? Just plain dumb.

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