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Takeaways from Avs’ loss to Wild: It feels like this is rock bottom

Adrian Dater
Adrian Dater
January 24, 2019
Takeaways from Avs’ loss to Wild: It feels like this is rock bottom

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gerontion

gerontion

January 24, 2019

They might as well just keep tanking. Despite their great start to the season, this is obviously not a Cup contender. Even if they somehow manage to squeak into the playoffs they will be destroyed. Hopefully they will get two top 10 picks down the road, possibly top 5.

BHGodlyGovt

BHGodlyGovt

January 24, 2019

I mean, yeah, Grubi was maybe a tad slow in his reaction timing tonight, but definitely nowhere close to as bad as Varly was the other night. Also, the team in front of him really never gave him the chance to gain confidence, which I think definitely influenced some of the slower reaction times. Overall, though, he definitely does not have the same speed that Varly did a couple of years ago. Still don’t think that you can say with near total certainty that any of the goals were his fault, which you definitely couldn’t say about Varly last game.

jpwheels

jpwheels

January 24, 2019

Varly and Grubi have been getting a lot of heat lately, and rightly so. Their play has been mostly bad to very bad fr far too long. But goaltending wasn’t the problem tonight. The inability of the guys in front of him to make the right, simple plays put Grubi in no-mans land.

I like Bednar. I think he has been very good for this team. I also don’t think he’s the problem. But he’s clearly struggling to find a solution too. I’m starting to wonder if a more experienced coach would be able to get the players to play with more focus/responsibility/accountability.

DP10

DP10

January 24, 2019

You gotta give AD credit on one thing. He really was the first one to call out the Avs’ decline back in early/mid December.

The deficiencies of the Avs have been well documented. The question now left to ask is whether our expectations need to adjusted more fundamentally. Right now, it is very hard to imagine how this team will make the playoffs. If that is the case, some tough questions need to be asked about why the coaching staff wasn’t able to develop this team further and why, in fact, they have regressed so much.

Justin

Justin

January 24, 2019

Poor performance by the whole team, but everyone has an off night. The goaltenders have been bad for almost two months now (including tonight, I was at the game and saw 1 spectacular save for Grub), and poor goaltending is systemic in that the players loose confidence when they know their netminders aren’t up to the task, take less chances, etc. They need to bring in Francous (sp?), or make a big trade for a real goalie (I don’t think Bob is the answer either).

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Adrian Dater

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January 24, 2019

I definitely don’t think Bob is the answer.

ljp78

ljp78

January 24, 2019

AD, do you feel that the Avs are becoming sellers? Or will Sakic just wait things out like he normally does?

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Adrian Dater

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January 24, 2019

I mean, so much depends still on what the record is close to the deadline. But if they become sellers, I’m sure Colin Wilson becomes a possible rental for someone. Maybe Varly too.

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bjjones05

bjjones05

January 24, 2019

If someone would want Varly after the stretch he’s just gone through…

T.Manchester

T.Manchester

January 24, 2019

They are still in the race. Do they look like shit? Yes. Is it a problem? Yes. But do you really want to mail in the rest of the season?! There are still 32-ish games left. That’s 39% of the season! Still time to right the ship.

Bob_W

Bob_W

January 24, 2019

Just as an eye test it seems a lot of the penalties they take are the kind you see when players are using their sticks instead of moving their feet(hooking, holding, interference). There is a reason these types of penalties are called “lazy penalties” and they may be an indication of what is wrong over-all. We all cringe and roll our eyes when we see Gabe Bourque on the roster but if every player on the team played with the intensity and energy he plays with I believe the record would be much better.

Nels

Nels

January 24, 2019

There are so many great suggestions here (the article and comments). I just have to add this one:

What about trades?

Throw in a piece or two for any of these if you don’t think it’s enough (like Ghetto, Nieto, etc…):

Varly & 2nd & 3rd for Quick?
EJ for Dougie Hamilton
Jost & Kerfoot for Nylander
Barrie for Ferland (and we sign him)
Girard and Grubauer for JT Miller

Then your team looks like this next season and beyond and you have a chance of not wasting the Top Lines glory days:

Top Line
Nylander-JT Miller/Sodo-Ferland
Kaut-Bowers-Compher
whoever-whoever-Greer

Hamilton-Z
Cole-Makar
Timmins-Graves-Meloche-Nemeth/Barbs

Quick
Francouz

Still have 2 firsts and a third in 2019, plus all other prospects currently in the system and all picks in coming years.

ThePhotoGorilla

ThePhotoGorilla

January 24, 2019

Obviously, the goalie struggle is real. But I also think people have to keep in mind that Varly and Grubs are 2 different types of goalies. Varly is (maybe was…?) the athletic, quick goalie that could stand on his head and make saves like few others. Grubs is the technical one, always working to be in the proper position with the correct technique to make the save. The defense the Avs have, while better, still isn’t great and they are not adapting to the goalie type playing behind them.

I will also agree that Beds is not likely the problem, but he clearly lacks a solution to whatever motivation issues this team is having right now.

hockeyhacker5

hockeyhacker5

January 24, 2019

I liked the article, but no way is this rock bottom, even if it feels like it. The Avs are still in a playoff spot, but only because Vancouver, Anaheim, and Arizona all lost their last game. Two other teams are within three points. They could fall to 13th in the conference within days after the All Star break if they don’t start winning. They are closer to last overall in the NHL than they are to Vegas in 5th in the West. If I was Sakic, I’d be talking to Quenneville.

mladen

mladen

January 24, 2019

I agree. this season is gone. Glad to see Graves brought up which probably means he is here for the season. Trade one of the goalies and bring up Pavel.

KCRybek

KCRybek

January 24, 2019

Such an immature team- of course they were more focused on the upcoming break than getting a massive win. Just like they cared more about coming home than beating a dreadful Ottawa team last week

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Joel2133

Joel2133

January 24, 2019

uh well ya, half the team can’t even drink legally

SRbell8

SRbell8

January 24, 2019

Every player should have to switch to a wood stick on the penalty kill. You’ll never break a good Ol 5030 with the Jagr curve..might shoot it over the glass though. Also is it an issue that Bednar doesn’t get emotional enough, like you don’t got to constantly be giving everyone grief but I mean coaches gotta yell and give players shit from time to time.

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ahinton54

ahinton54

January 25, 2019

Coach “Xanax” drives me freaking crazy.

Cerveau

Cerveau

January 24, 2019

Based on their record this year, the current Avs roster is capable of beating any team in the league (and likewise any team is capable of beating them).
IMHO the problem is not about who is on the team, it’s about poor preparation and stupid mistakes by every last member of the team.
Every other team I see, even the mediocre ones that don’t have half the talent still seem to be becoming well oiled machines that know how to capitalize on their strengths even if their players don’t have half the talent.

The Avs seem to be still floundering in that regard… like they’re trying too much, too hard without yet being good at a basic set of their own routines.

Case in point: Ryan Graves. He’s good but not great.
But he’s impressing everybody.
Why?
Because he’s keeping things simple, and doing what he knows how to do well.

The other thing is that other teams have been able to adapt to the Avs… and maybe that’s been easy because the Avs have been so effective at shooting themselves in the foot, like botching all these cross ice passes that turn into giveaways that end up in our net.

So, who’s to blame?
IMO both the coaches and the players.
The coaches for not adequately drilling the players, and the players for trying to get ahead of themselves.

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jpwheels

jpwheels

January 24, 2019

Agreed, very good points…

Eve

Eve

January 24, 2019

This team isn’t tough enough; the defense makes too many mistakes for the goalies we have; and MacKinnon gets frustrated and then starts making bad passes; and they all just start to fall apart. Makeup of team isn’t good don’t know how that’s on Bednar

Eve

Eve

January 24, 2019

By tough enough I mean emotionally, mentally and physically. I don’t think Landeskog has looked so good these last couple of games either. I think he’s worn out trying to make this group work.

TN.Avsfans

TN.Avsfans

January 25, 2019

I believe MacKinnon has been saving himself for all star game. He wants to be sure he shines when the big spotlight is on him. I think his ego is ruining his game to many people have told him how great he is.

GWood

GWood

January 26, 2019

It’s probably a good thing that Bednar doesn’t rant and rave, but at the same time, he needs to shout some guys down at full force after repeated/stupid mistakes. Cameras or no cameras. This has gotten ridiculous. Seems like the boys are too comfortable with Bednar and think of him as a peer. Bad formula.

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