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Colorado’s defense is already good but could soon get much better

AJ Haefele
AJ Haefele
January 27, 2020
Colorado’s defense is already good but could soon get much better

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Bgravel

Bgravel

January 27, 2020

Tx ? very Weird situation with All those Kids , i like them all but it s hard to ignore the fact that it s a very very young défense next yr with Makar-Girard – Timmins-Byram Ouff plus Graves and Zad …. EJ is ok exprerience D but like you said, he slip a lot and no more a top 3 D maybe a 18-20 min with some toughness…i realy dont know what they do next yr cause they are top 5 team in NHL but for à Stanley cup it s tough ….

January 27, 2020

“the smartest and safest play is to sit tight”

Agree although it would be hard to pass if a top goalie became available

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January 27, 2020

Goalies don’t really become available; usually you have to force their availability by making the big offer. I don’t see the Avs giving up on Grubauer yet.

ChippyPlay

ChippyPlay

January 27, 2020

Great article AJ.

I wonder if Timmins may just need to sit in the AHL longer (i.e. through next year) than Avs fans want. Seems like trading him now would be selling fairly low.

And I think we may just have a higher opinion of him than others.

Here’s what I would love to hear from AJ or Nathan or scouts- Right now, at this moment, is Byram already ahead of Timmins? If you had to pick one of the two to play on the third pairing for the next month in the NHL, who would be better?

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Eidolon

Eidolon

January 27, 2020

Why would they being selling low on Timmins when they have to insist he was unavailable to all trade inquiries? I don’t think the Avs or their fans have an out-of-whack opinion of Timmins. I think he’s seen as a valuable prospect across the league.

NoMoreRats

NoMoreRats

January 27, 2020

Superior job, AJ. The dilemma you present at the end is really the issue. If they fully move on to the expected core soon they’re going to be pretty green. On the other hand you gotta wonder what they could get out of say, Toronto, for Cole at the deadline or sooner after the season he’s had (and I’m not a Cole hater). Here’s my response to LeBrun on Friday (I subscribe to the Athletic), it’s a pretty good summary of what you wrote above but a touch more emotional. I was sincerely baffled at his suggestion of a) Defense and b) Martinez.

“I get this Avs trading for a D thing less every time it’s mentioned by the whackjobs on Twitter and it’s utterly baffling here. They’re paying Barberio 1.5 million to eat nachos in the pressbox every night because they’re pretty sure he won’t make it through waivers. Timmins, Connauton and Rosen are at Loveland. Heck, Byram will even be available once his season is over. Yeah, none of these is a Drew Doughty but is a Drew Doughty available? Which one of Makar, Graves, Girard, Zadorov, Cole or Johnson is going share to Barberio’s nachos so that Alec Freaking Martinez can play? They would be trading assets for someone who they’d have absolutely no intention of keeping beyond this season because there’s no room for him. The future core is Makar, Byram, Timmins and Girard. Which leaves a decision among Graves, Zadorov, Cole and Johnson (who has an NMC) for the final two spots. Where the F does Alec Martinez fit into that?

Unless a top pairing guy is available for peanuts the Avs are not trading for a D.”

I wonder if LeBrun farmed this article out to his local team writers? Ryan Clark seems like a really good guy and writes good feature type articles but his hockey knowledge and Avs personnel instincts often times seem lacking. IIRC in a chat he recently had that I read the transcript of he talked about trading for D and maybe even Martinez.

NoMoreRats Replying to NoMoreRats

January 27, 2020

I would be shocked if they moved Cole in-season for a draft pick. You just don’t see Cup contenders sell like that. Over the summer, totally get it, but at the deadline, I would be so surprised, especially given Timmins and his injury issues. This team has surprised me with some of its commitment to youth in the past so maybe they do clear the decks for the kids. But it’s going to be very interesting to see how they navigate these waters.

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NoMoreRats

January 27, 2020

Oh, I’d be shocked too.

One interesting thing from the Pens game. We were behind the goal watching the Avs warmup. My two youngest daughters (8 and 13) were on the glass and I was standing a row behind. An older well dressed lady and her husband came to take their seats right next to my 13 year old which doesn’t happen often – usually the people with the glass seats wait until warmups are over and the riff-raff (like my daughters and I) clear out to our seats up in the 300’s. My 13 yo talked to the lady, who was quite friendly, quite a bit. It turned out it was Debra Cafaro, the healthcare CEO who is the minority owner of the Pens. She didn’t say her name only that she was one of the Pens owners but I looked her up later. She kept waving at Cole and said she still keeps in touch with him and especially his wife and considers them good friends. Her wikipedia bio also says she went to ND like Cole, obviously a few decades earlier.

Who knows what, if any, influence she has over Rutherford but I guess I won’t be completely surprised if he makes his way back there someday.

DrGoalie29

DrGoalie29

January 27, 2020

Great article AJ. So…can Byram join the Avs this season? Wouldn’t he have to complete his season in Juniors before that can happen?

I think if it were me, I’d try to move Cole for draft picks and open a space for Timmins. Then, when Byram’s season is over, put him in the AHL on an ATO (that is legal, yes?). Let Byram play at that level for whatever remains of the Eagles’ season.

That way, the Avs won’t be putting too much youth into a potential run this season…Timmins gets a year of experience, then Byram jumps in next season and has the full season to work the kinks out.

I think other than moving Cole I’d stand pat. As long as THM starts clicking, the offense should be pretty difficult for opponents to deal with, and if one of the goalies gets on a roll, this team could go deep. I am not sure if there is a “must get” at the trade deadline this season.

DrGoalie29 Replying to DrGoalie29

January 27, 2020

Thank you!

Yes, Byram could theoretically join the Avs after his WHL season is over. I think it is likelier to see him go the ATO/Eagles route than the Avs. If the Colorado defense is healthy, I just can’t see Byram slotting in over any of the regular six guys the Avs are rolling with now.

Where the Avs might get some sneaky development is if the Eagles are eliminated from the playoffs early, Colorado can call all of those guys up as black aces and have them regularly practicing with the team. I’d rather Byram and Timmins be sharing a blue line on a playoff run for the Eagles but in lieu of that, practices with the Avs during the postseason is a pretty good endgame.

DrGoalie29 Replying to DrGoalie29

January 27, 2020

Byram is definitely ahead of Timmins in terms of upside and high-end ability but Timmins has the advantage of playing in real pro hockey games now and playing very well.

I don’t think trading Timmins is selling low and I also don’t think there’s much reason to keep him in the AHL beyond this year. He’s already excelled at the level and the last thing you want to do is stall out his progress as a player because you’re forcing it with Ian Cole next year, you know? It’s a tricky spot (one every team would die for, to be honest) but they just have to rip the band-aid off.

Dario

Dario

January 27, 2020

Great piece and a great problem to have here.
I don’t believe that Washington nor St. Louis made big splashes at the last two deadlines. I say the Avs hold tight.

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NoMoreRats

NoMoreRats

January 27, 2020

I was really hoping for one more Top 6 forward to keep things going when the others go cold but with Bowers and Kaut heating up and Newhook at nearly a point a game now (another goal plus an assist on Friday) there’s really not any long term room for anyone else. In that Ranta goal that was tweeted over the weekend the MN announcers gush that he’s taken a quantum step forward in the past 30 days. I was all for getting Hall at the right price and thought he would have been perfect for this team but the best step for Joe now might be to just leave it the hell alone. Maybe if they could get Puljujarvi, who seems to be getting better every day over in the Liiga, for relatively cheap. He wouldn’t help us any this season but another Top 6 forward on an ELC for next year would be gravy.

Really just need 96 and 92 to pick it up a little more.

Jose

Jose

January 27, 2020

Well done-to quote the play on the old adage, “don’t just do something, stand there”.

DoubleD

DoubleD

January 28, 2020

Cool to see those stat boxes, thanks. Obviously it’s just one of many tools to assess a player but surprised EJ shows that well, and wow Z’s results are poor. Cool to see Makar, wow like TOP 5% in so many measures. But that dreadful “exp goals ag” is grim, assume that’s because he is in the ice with the first line a lot and while they tend to score a lot, they also get scored on quite a bit.

Sunfunbun

Sunfunbun

January 30, 2020

AJ, great write up!! Thank you!

WIDEOUT17

WIDEOUT17

February 8, 2020

Well put AJ

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