No results found for ""

Type at least 3 characters to search

Upgrade Your Fandom

Join the ultimate Denver Broncos Community!

Broncos Film Room: What exactly is behind Denver’s immense success running the ball?

Andre Simone
Andre Simone
October 5, 2017
Broncos Film Room: What exactly is behind Denver’s immense success running the ball?

Author

Andre Simone avatar
Andre Simone

Share this post

Comments

Leave a comment

0 Comments (2 conversations)

October 6, 2017

Do you see De’Angelo Henderson playing a role or was he a “just in case” back, in case Jamaal Charles didn’t have his speed and quickness back?

It’s good to read something positive about the Denver offense!

October 8, 2017

There’s no doubt that the key reasons are as you stated: 1) much better O-line play in the run, 2) CJ is healthy and more fit and Charles is a big upgrade at the change-of-pace back and 3) more usage of the shotgun and the hurry up.

This was my big peeve with Kubiak. He felt that you couldn’t run out of the shotgun. But Peyton proved you could before Kubiak got there. Kubiak was stubborn and could never see players for their natural abilities. If he’d stuck with what was working, Peyton would have been running the hurry up in the gun nearly every play and possibly wouldn’t have hurt his foot. More scoring would have meant less pressure on the defense and an even more impressive run to the playoffs and the SB win in 2015.

Replying to

October 9, 2017

I just don’t think we had the O-line to make the offense work under Kubiak’s zone scheme. We did run the ball well before. And I’m a fan of the fast break, attacking type of offense. Different philosophies. I’m not sure it was a matter of not seeing players for their nature abilities, though. Obviously other teams still use the West Coast offense as a bass scheme and they have success with it. So I tend to think the Broncos just didn’t have all the pieces last year.

Replying to

October 10, 2017

We never ran the ball well enough to abandon Peyton Manning’s hurry up, pass-first offense. This was a case of a stubborn head coach who insisted on jamming a square peg into a round hole. My guess was always that Manning intimidated Kubiak with his football intellect and he would be damned before he’d let his QB, any QB, run the game from the field. The case study that demonstrates a head coach who adapted to the player rather than forcing the player to adapt to him was Don Shula. Shula was a run-first, three-yards-and-a-cloud-of-dust offensive head coach. Yet he adapted to Dan Marino and they put up Star Wars numbers together. Kubiak was no Don Shula.

We’ll never know the whole story unless Manning ever writes his memoirs and he is completely truthful. It’s possible, I suppose, that he had the foot problem from the beginning of the season and Kubiak had no choice but to go run-first because Manning couldn’t throw with the bad foot. I doubt it. I still think that leaving the shotgun and putting Manning under center was the cause of the foot trouble in the first place.

Replying to

October 10, 2017

I was listening to Kubiak and what he said about how he and Manning were working together. And I heard what Manning was saying about loving the challenge and being refreshed by it. I think that Kubiak-was-stubborn narrative is nonsense. How ridiculous to think the QB who’s entire NFL playing life was in John Elway’s shadow would be intimidated by another great quarterback. He was so intimidated by Elway that he became his coach! So surely Manning was a threat to him. That narrative doesn’t fit the facts.

Replying to

October 11, 2017

Yeah, keep telling yourself that Rebecca. That was all lovey-dovey “NFL-speak”. I think that Manning (and Kubiak) were very good at keeping a pleasant public image. And I truly believe they got along fine just like you said. Manning was always a loyal and obedient player. My guess is that he took it well and viewed his time with Kubiak as his turn in NFL purgatory after all the years doing his thing and winning all those games on offense.

The reality is that Kubiak, in a matter of days, single-handedly dismantled the most prolific and productive offense in NFL history. He took back control of the game from Manning as the quasi-offensive coordinator and made him into his puppet on the field. The shotgun was gone, the hurry up was gone, calling the plays at the line was mostly gone, the Star Wars, pressing, pass-first offense was gone. That was Manning’s game and Kubiak shelled it. Think back to the times when the Broncos were behind with almost no time left and they went back to the Manning offense. Before you know it, they’ve scored two TDs and they’re back in the game.

Any rational coach would come in and look at what he had to work with and decide to keep what worked and make changes where needed. There was nothing wrong with the Manning offense. In fact it was history making. So what does he do? He converts the Broncos into the Woody Hayes’ 1970s, three-yards-and-a-cloud-of-dust offense. Burn as much clock as you can and score the fewest points needed to win. Let your defense win the game for you. That was totally irrational. He could have had both a great offense AND a great defense. He just couldn’t stand the fact that he’d have to turn the keys over to Manning to get it.

BTW, Kubiak wasn’t Elway’s head coach, Shanahan was. It was Shanahan that wasn’t intimidated. Plus Kubiak was implementing Shanahan’s offense and it fit Elway’s skill set. And they had Terrell Davis. Imagine how Elway would have reacted if he had to play under Kubiak’s 2015-2016 offense.

Until Manning, Kubiak had never coached a strong-willed QB as head coach. So what does he do when he finally coaches one? He castrates him.

Replying to

October 11, 2017

Sorry, Roger, but when you win a Super Bowl you hardly would look at the experience as being in purgatory.

Obviously Kubiak believed in his offense. He hardly wanted them to go “three-yards-and-a-cloud-of-dust.” In truth he and Elway and Manning believed that taking some of the load off the QB would prolong Peyton’s career. I mean, yes, he was prolific when he arrived, but there’s no doubt he started having problems in 2014. More interceptions, fewer times when he could save the day. I think of what’s happening with Ben Rothlesburger right now. Might be time for his team not to lean so heavily on him. It happens even to the best of quarterbacks. And that’s what John Elway understood, having won SBs at the END of his career.

You are misguided to think that Kubiak is strong willed, that he and Peyton and Elway weren’t in sync. Very, very misguided.

And thank goodness they were. No way could Brock O have performed as well as he did if he was expected to step in and do what Peyton did. Why do you think Kubiak wanted Peyton to be the guy for the playoffs? He wasn’t running “his system.” Go look at the tape. How many snaps were in the pistol and shotgun vs under center? A good percentage, that’s for sure. Why? Because Kubiak was willing to tailor the offense to what his QB did best. He said it, Peyton said it, the work on the field showed it, but that ridiculous narrative refuses to die.

Feel free to respond if you wish, but I don’t think I have any more to say on the subject. People will believe what people want to believe.

Replying to

October 11, 2017

Have you actually reviewed his 2014 stats? Yes, he had more INTs but
they were exactly his career average and his other statistics were very
comparable to his best years — well above average. He still won 12 games, the AFC West
and got the first round bye. That hardly seems like a decline. Fox pulled the same thing he did in the 2013 SB. He didn’t have his team prepared for the Playoffs and it cost him his job.

I might agree with you if it wasn’t for those times when Manning was allowed to run the old hurry up because they got behind using the Woody Hayes “3 yards” system. Manning would call the plays from the shotgun, using his hand signals at the line of scrimmage and make passes to the wide outs like the old days. I’m sure DT and Emmanuel remembered the signals and relished the nostalgia. It would be a short burst of Sanders “receiver heaven”. Peyton never lost the ability to win games in the clutch.

If not for the foot injury (that I still contend was exacerbated by him playing under center or out of the pistol — big difference from the shotgun BTW) I don’t believe there was a need to hide Manning at all. You may find this interesting: http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/plantar-fasciitis/symptoms-causes/ . Kubiak compromised to the pistol after a couple games but almost never called a true shotgun play. Under Gase, the shotgun bought Manning time so he didn’t need to move around the pocket as much or pivot and run to a spot to make a hand off. He’d receive the hike, make his reads, step and throw. Not a lot of twisting or pushing off on his foot or heels to run.

And Kubiak used the Brockweiler because he had more time with the team. Even though Siemian was younger, I think he would have done a better job running either offense, Manning’s or Kubiak’s, than the Brockweiler. Siemian is quite simply much smarter.

Kubiak was good at player relationships and team building. He was never
good at football strategy and tactics. John Elway trusted him as his
best friend in football. This clouded his judgment. As with anything,
especially when a team wins it all, it’s easy to say he made the right
decision regardless of Kubiak’s shortcomings but it was a sorry way for one of
the greatest of all time to go out. And I still contend it wasn’t necessary. He could have offered the job to Gase when he didn’t renew Fox’ contract. Gase would have left well enough alone and the Broncos would have won going away in 2015. And Peyton may still be playing … well maybe not this year but maybe in 2016.

Your right. We’re not going to agree on this. It’s been fun jawing with you though.

DNVR Flag

Scroll for next article